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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 18, 2013 - 5:15am
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That was me Peter, let me try my post again.
While checking out Todd Michalak's Italeri PT 109 build at http://modelshipwrights.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=202180&ord=&page=1, I noticed a small error on a window of the day room. It's fairly noticable so I thought I'd mention it for those wanting a boat as close to scale as possible. All the windows on the day room, except for the starboard forward one, are the same as the windows on the sides of the chart house. The starboard forward one is a dead light, the same as found on the forward end of the chart house. I'm guessing that this is because the ladder to the hatch would have prevented a window from opening.
The fix would be fairly easy, sand off the drip rail, add a frame the same as on the chart house, and put the plexiglass right behind the frame (the plexiglass on the windows was set fairly deep). Frank Andruss has an image of Russ Pullano in his photobucket album that shows what I'm talking about:
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David Waples
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Posted on: Mar 19, 2013 - 7:37pm
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Damn, I've learned two things tonight!! Thanks for sharing that Jeff. I had to go through my photos and that's just one of many things I haven't picked up on before. Great observation.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 20, 2013 - 1:29am
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Thanks David! I don't want to count Italeri's rivets but I thought this one was worth mentioning.
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Stuart Hurley
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Posted on: Mar 20, 2013 - 3:43am
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Hi, All. especially David,
This info originated as a a private response to an interested party as to which details I would change on the Italeri kit during my build, with a view to including the model in a book about the 103 class boats. It was not meant to go beyond that person as I am conscious of the fact that I know very little about pt boats, and did not wish to offend anyone here that had an input to the kit. I did not wish to criticise the kit openly as I think that Italeri did a very good job and many knowledgable people had an input to getting it right. Inevitably, due to molding, time and bugetary restrictions, some things slipped through the net. I did in all ignorance identify the boat hook on the starboard side as a rail (I am a newbie) I realised my error as soon as I examined the kit parts, but it is correct that it should be moved up. The breech doors were not mentioned in my original mail and are indeed handed, opening inwards. The other observations are I believe valid.
Best regards,
Stu
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David Waples |
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Posted on: Mar 20, 2013 - 4:52am
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Hi Stu,
You've made some very good observations. As mentioned before no kit is perfect and I'm certainly not offended. I learn new information here all the time. I can also tell you that our friends at Italeri are not offended either. They've told me that they are very pleased with the acceptance of the kit. I'm very proud of the work they did putting this kit together but there's always room for improvement. The value of this forum is people from all backgrounds from our experts to novices put fresh eyes on the subject and we have discussions about them and learn new information.
I've started a list of changes to the kit that I will find very useful when I start mine. I appreciate your input into this process here on on Model Shipwrights. Keep it coming!
Dave
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 20, 2013 - 4:57am
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No problem Stu, and sorry if you noticed my adding ongoing issues to your list. There were some valid points there which Italeri might correct on a re-release. I think any obvious errors should be pointed out, modelers like yourself that go the extra yard should be made aware of them. I hope you feel free to point out or ask about any others that you might discover.
As far as the boat hook goes, according to the drawing for it (which is washed out) PT 163-196 had the starboard boat hook mounted a little lower than other boats and about 10" farther aft. The hook bracket bottom was mounted just above the throttle push rod cover. On all other boats, the boat hook pole was 12" above the deck which placed it about 3" below the windows.
There were a lot of changes made to PT boats, at the factory and in the field. Italeri did a great job getting the boat as it came from the factory right. Digging up field changes can be a nightmare, thankfully the researchers here are a great help.
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Stuart Hurley
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Posted on: Mar 20, 2013 - 5:10am
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Thanks for your understanding guys. I am learning a lot here. I am an information sponge at the moment. I always want the most accurate model I can build, especially if would be seen in a book which, after all, would be critiqued by yourselves. (I suspect I have been used though. Maybe we can all contribute to a book on our own featuring Jeffs 3D drawings) I am looking forward to your day room drawings Jeff, especially the starboard rail on the roof. I reckon it is in two sections, with the long part having five brackets and the short part with two, with an angled bracket leading in from aft? I hadn't spotted the deadlight either -good call. Interestingly, the boat at Battleship Cove has a shutter on this window, with a cutout in the ladder sides for clearance.
Best regards,
Stu
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 20, 2013 - 6:56pm
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Thank you Stu, it is good to be appreciated!
I've got the day room mostly finished but want to at least rough out the engine hatch and aft windshield before posting drawings so I can be sure everything fits right.
You're right, there is a gap in the rail at the aft end of the removable section of the roof, and an angled stanchion at the aft end of the rail, the same as is found on the forward top of the chart house. You can see what I came up with in this thread: http://www.ptboatforum.com/cgi-bin/MB2/netboardr.cgi?fid=102&cid=101&tid=3010&pg=2&sc=20&x=0. You're also right about the longer section having 5 stanchions. The rails and stanchions are different after PT 138, they switched from brass to wood.
That's interesting about the Battleship Cove boat, I'm going to check it out.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 21, 2013 - 5:38am
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I checked out the photo of the window and ladder on PT 617 at Battleship Cove Stu, I think they are part of the restoration and not what the boat originally came with. Drawings for the 565-624 show steel ladders and the dead light.
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Stuart Hurley
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Posted on: Mar 21, 2013 - 7:34am
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Hi Jeff,
Yes, the parts list states tubular steel ladders. I originally thought it might be a later style that they made of wood like some of the other fittings. It will be visible through the window though so what do you think about the colour?
They look black in photos. I have seen colour drawings where the ladders are red. The documents available recommend a zinc chromate primer, but do not mention a top coat as far as I can tell.
Regards,
S
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