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Forum Category: PT Boats of WWII

Forum Name: PT Boats - General

Topic: Elco 77'

I have finally restarted my Elco 77' drawing project. This time I have more technical info available, allowing for greater drawing details then shown in the early cut-away drawing I completed in 1998. However, this project is actually progressing slowly because of the quality of the detailed Elco drawings (microfilm scans) and lack of accuracy from drawing to drawing. Below is a sampling of boat compartments currently in-work.

All the best,
Dick . . .


[b][red]Galley Area:[/red][/b]


[b][red]Officers Head / Armory / Radio Room:[/red][/b]


[b][red]Officer Quarters, with Port, 2 Center and Starboard berthing area. The lower Center Starboard Berth area is also Ammunition Storage.[/red][/b]


[b][red]Fuel Tanks:[/red][/b]


[b][red]Old 1998 Cutaway Drawing:[/red][/b]

Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Apr 25, 2011 - 11:23am
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Wonderful job as always Dick. These should prove to be very valuable to those who model these boats. One day, I would like to have Stan do a cutaway boat to show the inside of the boats, and these drawings will be a huge and important part of that project. Again Dick, Wonderful job at this atage of the project..............

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Apr 25, 2011 - 12:03pm
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Looking great, Dick. True artistry......


Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Apr 25, 2011 - 6:03pm
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Dick, I always love your drawings, they alwways provide so much information you don't see in multiple photos. They always give a great overall look inside these boats most of us have no clue look like. I proudly have all your 3-d posters.

Posted By: Hadly | Posted on: Apr 26, 2011 - 8:07am
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I agree with Hadly Dick, your drawings really explain the inner workings of the boats so well. I look forward to seeing the finished project.

It's a shame about the quality of some of the drawings. But I have faith in you brother!

Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Apr 27, 2011 - 1:52am
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Way to go buddy.All the comments are right on sir.How you get those flat views in to a picture view is really neat.

Posted By: Black Ops | Posted on: Apr 27, 2011 - 9:33am
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77 s are my favorite. Sweet![:-grin-:]

Posted By: Mark Culp | Posted on: Apr 27, 2011 - 2:00pm
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Hello Dick
Great work, as usual! Regarding the Elco microfilm that you used, I was wondering if you could tell me if it came from the batch that I had donated to HQ quite a few years ago. As I hadn't reviewed evey film strip, I was never sure if the file included 77' drawings. My family would be gratified to learn if the donation had resulted in some greater benefit to the community. Too bad, though, that the quality wasn't the best.
Ed B

Posted By: Ed B | Posted on: Apr 28, 2011 - 10:37am
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Hi Ed . . .

I barrowed the microfilm from Al Ross, and had it scanned. The quality issue is two-fold. One was the U.S. Navy did an absolute terrible job filming the engineering drawings, the old phrase comes to mind "it's good enough for government work". Secondly the age of the film and its developing process is seriously deteriorating the quality of the images. Modern day technology is better, but nothing is as good as good old electronically digitized images.

I wasn't aware HQ even had microfilm reels until just very recently. I'm afraid it will be suffering the same ailment. I have been talking with Alyce about loaning them to me to determine what could be scanned or what would be a waste of money - but that subject hasn't been resolved as of yet.

The Archives has the main Elco 77' reel labeled as "310", I'm not sure if there are others, there should be many more if all drawings were microfilmed. For a project of that size there should two to three thousand drawings including engineering control records.

The Elco 80' had five reels found, but again there should be at least another half to full dozen reels floating around the NARA, somewhere. The Higgins and Huckins microfilm still proves to be mystery to me, specially the Huckins.

Dick . . .

PS: Thank you to everyone for your nice comments.

Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Apr 28, 2011 - 5:31pm
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I'm not sure if it was you or someone else that I mentioned this to several years ago, but the film I gave Alyce was not on reels, they were film strips (35mm?) about 6" in length, individually wrapped in paper sleeves, probably only half a dozen drawings per strip. I doubt the total number of drawings was in the thousands, and I know most were 80' prints, 103 series I believe, but I'm also pretty sure there may have been some others. At one point I did view about a dozen of the strips myself on a film reader, and recall the quality being excellent. I don't know how Alyce catalogs this stuff, but if you remind her it was part of a much larger donation from "Elco Ed", I think she would remember. The unusual thing about it is I believe the film was produced by Elco in their photo shop, not by the Navy, so it may be worth checking out.

Posted By: Ed B | Posted on: Apr 28, 2011 - 8:11pm
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Hey there Dick
I was going way back thru these paragraphs and ran across you 77' project.
Its been over a year, have you finished it up yet?
Boy how time flyes when we are haviing fun. Been trying to catch up with all the reading.

Posted By: Black Ops | Posted on: Jun 9, 2012 - 10:39pm
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Hi Dick,
Wow! You did it again. One small suggestion: put the date of completion right on the
drawing so people will know which one is the latest one.

Victor K Chun

Posted By: victorkchun | Posted on: Jun 10, 2012 - 10:17am
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Very nice! So... any chance you can contact Alyce about the film that Ed donated to the museum. I think a number of us would pay for a DVD with some of the proceeds going to PT Boats, Inc.

By the way, come down and join us on the USS Iowa. We could use a couple of extra hands. Yes I know, it is not a PT boat, but it is about as Navy as we are going to get. The PT boat option is tough for us as the drive to Portland is a bit extreme.

Bill Smallshaw

Posted By: smallwi | Posted on: Jun 10, 2012 - 4:41pm
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Steve Tuhy

Posted By: Steve Tuhy | Posted on: Jun 10, 2012 - 5:51pm
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Wow Dick that is as always fantastic! Hey Bill Portland is also served by trains and airplanes you know! You and Frank should both ride the train (The Amtrak "Empire Builder" from Chicago) to come see the PT658. We even have a bus station! I would even volunteer to pick you up and give you a ride to the boat. We just completed Rose Festival Fleet Week and everybody had a blast. We got a lot of publicity in the local press as well. All good for PT boats.

Dick keep up the great work!
Jerry PT658

Jerry Gilmartin

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Jun 10, 2012 - 9:27pm
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Well . . . I'm doing my nightly Spammer troll, I saw the messages, please see below:

Black Ops - Sorry to say very little progress has occurred over the last many months. Too much paying work and little play time.

Vic - Yeah, I normally do date the material, just forgot. All the detail interior stuff was done in 2011, while the last drawing (exploded Isometric) was started and finished up prior to 1998. You can see by its simplicity I had little detailed information at the time.

Bill - I've tried twice to barrow the microfilm for conversion to digital, but I think my timing was off. I'll ask Alyce again. My hope is to barrow all the microfilm (specially Ed's), analyze it and scan all worth the cost of scanning. Then provide DVD's to HQ for selling, like I have with the two previous DVD's. I also want to barrow the old film clips and convert them also to digital, before they degrade anymore then they have. With the film clips I plan to re-create the old VHS tapes HQ use to sell. I've already burned sample DVD by converting the old VHS tapes I bought from HQ (mid 1990's) into my Mac, added a sound track - it's real nice but the quality from the old VHS tapes was pretty horrible, need the to convert the actual film strip with todays' technology.

Steve - Thanks, your a man with an exceptional and discriminating taste for artwork Sorry I could help myself, thanks.

Jerry - Thanks Jerry, you too, are a man with an exceptional and discriminating taste for artwork .
I think Bill, like myself, is waiting for the great "California Bullet Train" planning to be built sometime between now and the year 3010, at a cost to the tax payer of about 90 Ga-Jillion dollars.
If this is true his best bet would be to catch "Amtrack's Pacific Surfliner north from Orange County to Santa Barbara, then a Greyhound bus due east to Bakersfield CA. There he can catch the "The Great California Bullet Train" for the entire 375 mile run through central California, north from Bakersfield to Fresno. He will then transfer by Greyhound bus again, northwest to Sacramento were he can catch "Amtrak's Coast Starlight Train" (not anywhere near the coast) and take it all the way up through northern California through Oregon and the Willamette Valley to Portland.
Where you can pick him up at the local mental health clinic from eating those ready-made sandwiches from the Bus Depot's vending machines. Or he might just catch a two hour flight straight up the coast to Portland OR. Bill lives a few beach cities south of me here in southern California, and the USS Iowa is new to us, here in Long Beach port or maybe it LA's port or San Pedro - its all the same waterway just divvied up by near-by cities.

Thanks all,
Dick . . .

Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Jun 10, 2012 - 11:40pm
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You forgot to mention hitchhiking to Portland, but watch out for serial killers....


Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Jun 11, 2012 - 5:33am
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Thanks Dick. Hope you get a chance real soon to finish them all. Your drawings are so informative, you should make a book.

Posted By: Black Ops | Posted on: Jun 11, 2012 - 7:18pm
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