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 Author  Topic: Interior color of .50 Cal Turrets
GregB

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of GregB  Posted on: Jun 18, 2011 - 10:44am
Hi guys!

I've been working on the turrets on my 1/72 revell boat and was wondering about the interior color of the .50 cal turrets.

On this webpage the modeller shows the interior being gray.

http://www.pt103.comPT_Boat_Components_Browning_50_Cal_M2_Twin_Mount_Mark_17.html

But, he may have done that just to highlight the different components of his 3D model.

Would the actual boats have been painted this way?

Thanks,

GregB


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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Insides of the turrets are usually painted in which color you are using for the boat. It would make no sense to paint the boat, say forest green and make the insides gray. At 1/72 scale it is pretty tough to see inside the gun tubs, so green, if you choose this would be the way to go. If making the boat gray, then go with gray as well.


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Well, when I copy and paste the link I provided it doesn't seem to work.

The web page is http://www.pt103.com/index.html. Hope that works.

Then select - . 50 Cal Twin Mount Mark 17




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Frank,

Thanks. I suspected as much but really liked the idea of the gray interior. Gives things a bit of contrast on an all green boat.

GregB


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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Greg

There is no stopping you from painting it say a darker gray color, which would not stick out as much as say a lighter gray. I have seen them black, and I have seen them Gray, but mostly painted as the same color of the boat..........all of my museum models done by Master model builder, Stan Pienkowski, and Alex Johnson are done in the same color as the boat.


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OK, I'll play my usual cynical self. From what credible primary source does this color answer come????????

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Frank J Andruss Sr

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No source Al, other then all of the models I have seen over the years. I have shots of the insides of the turrets as do others, but nothing in color. I base my comments only on what I have seen in model building and not Elco, Higgins, or Huckings drawings or specs.


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The pt103.com site is mine Greg, but I'm not sure what the interior color of the turrets was as manufactured or after repainting in the field. I made it the same as the exterior.

The only color information I've found was from a build manual for the 565-624 boats which can be viewed at http://www.hnsa.org/doc/pt/specs/index.htm#pg13:

Superstructure shall be primed and finished with three coats formula 511 special haze gray, final coat in accordance with latest camouflage instructions. Decks shall be primed, fastening holes filled with Navy formula 62 smoothing cement Navy Dept. Spec. 52C25 and finished with two coats nonskid deck paint, in accordance with latest camouflage instructions.

The only color photo of a turret interior I've seen shows an earlier series Elco with the limiting stop interior painted the same as the exterior. It can be seen at http://www.ptboats.org/cgi-local/sitenetbbs/netboardr.cgi?fid=102&cid=101&tid=567&sc=20&pg=1&x=0

Hopefully a veteran can help us out.



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My understanding is that anything you can see (aside from things like the guns, radio antenna rod, helm instrument panel, etc ) was to be painted. There would be no reason to leave out the turret interior in a paint program. However for accuracy I'll ask Liebenow and West of the PT-157 on Monday and ask them if nothing definitive from anyone else shows up today on the Board.

My thought is that the reason for painting PT was help the PT's blend into the overhanging brush under which they frequently stayed along rivers during the day (where they would be after the previous night's missions) and/or to better blend in the sea when they did travel during the day... to avoid, in both cases, aerial attack. So the whole boat, turrets and all, inside as well would make sense. Having two gray turrets (inside) wouldn't be what these guys wanted.

For model making purposes I would, as I did on the 157 model, make the inside of the turret a slightly darker shade of the PT's green as it gives more 'depth' as the indies of turrets are,by the nature, an area into which not much light gets into. The green shade of your model is not 'technically' accurate but in modeling terms it is.

BTW, for what its worth about 'hiding' a PT....As I listen to Captain Liebenow and his frequent helmsman Welford West talk, a major consideration when traveling about in a PT was the WAKE the boat left behind. They become pointer's to the boat's location even if the boat is not visible (from the air) The best way to 'hide' was to cut engines and make the wake go away. After that, from the air, a PT is very hard to spot.

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My understanding is that anything you can see (aside from things like the guns, radio antenna rod, helm instrument panel, etc ) was to be painted. There would be no reason to leave out the turret interior in a paint program. However for accuracy I'll ask Liebenow and West of the PT-157 on Monday and ask them if nothing definitive from anyone else shows up today on the Board.

My thought is that the reason for painting PT was help the PT's blend into the overhanging brush under which they frequently stayed along rivers during the day (where they would be after the previous night's missions) and/or to better blend in the sea when they did travel during the day... to avoid, in both cases, aerial attack. So the whole boat, turrets and all, inside as well would make sense. Having two gray turrets (inside) wouldn't be what these guys wanted.

For model making purposes I would, as I did on the 157 model, make the inside of the turret a slightly darker shade of the PT's green as it gives more 'depth' as the indies of turrets are,by the nature, an area into which not much light gets into. The green shade of your model is not 'technically' accurate but in modeling terms it is.

BTW, for what its worth about 'hiding' a PT....As I listen to Captain Liebenow and his frequent helmsman Welford West talk, a major consideration when traveling about in a PT was the WAKE the boat left behind. They become pointer's to the boat's location even if the boat is not visible (from the air) The best way to 'hide' was to cut engines and make the wake go away. After that, from the air, a PT is very hard to spot.

Bridge


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