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brian in denver

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of brian in denver  Posted on: Jan 28, 2010 - 12:45pm
wow I havent been in the rockler store in ages. surprised there still around.
I'll shoot you an e-mail
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  David Waples

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Hi Brian,
We meet once per month on the 4th Saturday of the month at 10:00. There are no fees. The group is headed by Hugh Letterly who is one of the owners of Loose Cannon Models, a company that specializes in 1/700 resin ship models. You can find them on the web.

Hugh works at Colpar Hobbies part time on Sunday and Monday. I highly suggest going down there and introducing yourself to Hugh. Be prepared to stay for a while because Hugh is a very friendly guy who likes to share his knowledge.

The group is focused around 1/700 modeling. But we have members who are building 1/35, 1/72, 1/96 and more. The value you will get from this group is anything to do with ship modeling and construction. That said the focus really is around 1/700 and Hugh will try and suck you into that world. I've been there now and you'll hear no complaints from me. :-)

Hugh is also opening his shop to club members to teach us how to make masters and cast resin and such. He has taught me a great deal.

Good luck with your project.
Dave

PS. Denny, welcome to the club.



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brian in denver

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of brian in denver  Posted on: Jan 29, 2010 - 9:00am
sheet styrine wouldent be to hard. I wouldent bother with ribs/frames, or deck braces in a plastic hull. the engine room machinery and framing has been my big hang up. id kill for a drawing of frame 55 .
I'm guessing the triple layer girder you see them making in the movie Giant killers. are the outboard girders in the engine room.
the center engine mounting has always been a big question since the inboard girders are wider than the engine.
I'm hopeing the new microfilm will answer some of those questions.
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I BELIEVE that, back in the 1990s, there was a modeler who was a DEA agent, who transformed the Revell PT-109 kit before the advent of after-market detail sets into a late-war boat and he went to the trouble of detailing it with an engine room. Was that Jerry Wells?


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I met a gentleman named Denny (sp) at our ship club meeting here in Denver last week. He's building the Italeri kit with a full interior. Brian,
I would imagine you two would have a lot to talk about.
Dave

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Jan 30, 2010 - 8:10am
Hi Brian, here's some of the microfilm plans dealing with engine room construction. There's a bunch of others showing part details, muffler pipes, etc., but these should get you started:

Frame 55 is shown on this plan, Hull Construction In Engine Room:
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00283.pdf & 284

Some other engine room construction plans:
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00081.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00202.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00203.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00217.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00218.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00219.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00244.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00245.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00246.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00269.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00270.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00277.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00278.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00279.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00280.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00283.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00284.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00303.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00304.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00305.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00306.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00307.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00323.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00324.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00350.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00351.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00359.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00360.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00372.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00373.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00403.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00437.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-1_72SCAN_00438.pdf



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Jeff D

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Mostly part drawings:
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00165.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00166.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00167.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00168.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00169.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00170.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00171.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00172.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00173.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00174.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00175.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00176.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00177.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00178.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00179.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00180.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00181.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00182.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00183.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00184.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00185.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00186.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00187.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00188.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00189.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00190.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00193.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00194.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00195.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00196.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00197.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00198.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00199.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00200.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00204.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00205.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00206.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00207.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00208.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00209.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00211.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00212.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00217.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00220.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00221.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00222.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00223.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00224.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00225.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00226.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00227.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00228.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00229.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00230.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00231.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00232.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00233.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00234.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00235.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00236.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00237.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00238.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00239.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00240.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00243.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00244.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00245.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00246.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00247.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00248.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00249.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00250.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00253.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00254.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00255.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00256.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00257.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00258.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00259.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00260.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00368.pdf
ELCO_Roll_5535-3_72SCAN_00369.pdf



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brian in denver

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wow sounds like I got my work cut out this month, as soon as i get the DVD. it also sounds like Im going to have to dig out the old drafting table and set it up again.
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  djwhite

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Thanks for the welcome David.

I look forward to learning from both you and Jerry.

I do need to have one question answered quickly if I can.

I have conflicting information about the width of the planking that would be viewable from the interior of the boat.

One source stated they were 1 foot wide boards and another stated they were only 6 inches. As you saw from the hull I brought to the club meeting David, I had started putting the styrene in place with scribed lines to represent the planking as I wish to show all of the girders and bracing.

If it is 6 inces I need to remove what I have done before I get to far to correct this. Or

Should I wait until I can afford to get the ELCO CD's?

I really need all of the help I could possibly get in this.


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Here's what you would see from inside the boat. The thin diagonals under the 6" planking were let into the frames:
http://www.pt103.com/images/ptpics/ELCO80_BOSInboardProfileHullConstructionPlan496248_2_Planking.jpg

Note the bottom steps, this plan is from an ELCO experiment with them.



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Jeff to the rescue! From that drawing the planks look to be 6". I looked through my copy of Building the PT Boats by Frank J. Andruss, Sr. and they look like 6" planks to me.

I'm going to order a set of discs from Dick as well. Based on Jeff's post they're a must have for the collection.

Dave

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