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Ahoy there!

Whilst looking at an image of PT-105 and PT-109(?) outside the Elco plant I noticed that the two boats have tthe deck stanchions on the fore deck just as the 1/32 Lindberg kit shows them. When were these stanchions removed? a) before arrival in the combat zone or b) after arrival in the combat zone?

Thanks from PeterTareBuilder

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Posted By: PeterTareBuilder | Posted on: Jul 9, 2008 - 8:05pm
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These Stantions were most assuredly removed by the Crews in the War Zone. They would be in the way no doubt.......

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jul 9, 2008 - 11:01pm
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Does anyone know if those line stanchions were threaded at their bottoms and screwed into the fittings in the deck, or unthreaded and just dropped into the fiitting holes? Just curious.

Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Jul 10, 2008 - 7:12pm
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THIS IS JUST A GUESS, BUT I WOULD SAY THEY WERE NOT THREADED. IN THE 107 PHOTOS ON GENE'S SITE, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE STANCHON POINTS ON THE DECK. THIS STUFF WAS ONLY USED IN THE STATES ANYWAY. FROM MY EXPERIANCE IN LATER BOATS, THIS WOULD BE SOME OF THE FIRST JUNK TO GO!! FORGET A COSAL/SOP EQUIPTMENT LIST OR WHAT EVER THEY CALLED IT THEN.
TAKE CARE,
TED

Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jul 10, 2008 - 7:28pm
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Yes, besides the ability to clothsline somebodys thighs, they took up valuable weapon space. I like the boats both with and without. But I also think that the boats look sleeker and meaner without them. But if it is your desire to add them, I have these measurements from a project / career I'm working on. Gathered from several Elco plans, distances are my own estimates:

A single cable is attached to a ring at the base of the bow light / above the hawse pipe, about 6" back from bow and 6" up from the deck.
It splits into 2 turnbuckles about 12" back from bow.
The cables are about a 32" height above deck at the first stanchions (stantions are about 1.5" diameter), and they run parallel with the base line to the chart house hand rails mounting points.
After the first stantions, the cables splay out slightly:
1st stanchion:
72" width, 77" back from bow, directly aft of frame 4.
2nd stanchion:
79" width, 211" back from bow, directly aft of frame 13.
Chart house roof hand rails:
90" width, 382" back from bow, a little before frame 27.

There is various hardware attaching the single line at the start which I'm unsure about.

The socket flanges are about a 4" diameter and raise very slightly raised above deck, about the same height as the deadlight frames. Check out the image of the bow 37mm on Gene's site, you can just see them.

A few details from [url]http://www.hnsa.org/doc/pt/specs/index.htm[/url]

SECTION Y-3.
WARPING, MOORING, AND TOWING FITTINGS.
The hawse pipe shall be of cast bronze and combined with bow light, and with eye fin for life lines and antenna mast stay to be fitted at stem head, with flanges to guard, and good deck pad, through bolted to breast hook.

SECTION Y-4.
LIFE RAILS AND STANCHIONS.
Life lines shall be as installed on Motor Torpedo Boat PT486 class, including removable stanchions and galvanized wire rope forward, and all necessary pins, lashings, turnbuckles, and chain plates; and fixed tubular stanchions well braced across stern with galvanized wire rope with turnbuckles, eyebolts, etc., as required.

Regards,
Jeff

Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Jul 30, 2008 - 8:01am
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