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ť Topic: PT Boat Tour #3: MTBSTC Melville, RI
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With daylight fading, Dad and I headed south down Rt. 114 towards MTBSTC Melville. I had looked at the marina from Google Earth; someone here on the boards posted pics from a couple of years ago, but I still wanted to go where it all started for so many men, including my grandfather. Pop was at Melville during the winter of 43/44 and finished his training just in time for the Spring thaw.

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Much like the feeling I got when I saw that tarped hull of PT 619 in Kingston, NY, when I saw "Melville Marina" I started to get excited. I shake my head at it now, but just seeing the name Melville on something real and in person got me going. We pulled into the private-ish marina and parked next to the row of Quonset-ish shop buildings:

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The marina has a security gate and lots of signs saying that it was private property, no trespassing, boat owners and guests only, etc... but it wasn't "sealed off" or anything. I just looked like I belonged and was polite and no one said anything back other than "hello!" After a quick search, I found the PT marker erected in a small grass patch along with flags, a Mark XIV torpedo and a stripped 1943 40mm Bofors:

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I walked out to the end of one of the piers so that I could see the narrow channel where the boats pass in and out from. When I look at either photos from the 1940's or in person today, it's almost like someone carved the inlet out (other than the small channel) - it's just perfect for what it is. I also photographed any of the old buildings I ran into - the only part you can't get to is on the southwest side near where some of the tank farm is located.

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Dad had been to Newport recently and had spotted some aircraft carriers down the bay, so we left briefly so we could photograph the other end of the Navy (size-wise anyway) before the sun went down. The USS Forrestal and USS Saratoga are sitting at a NS Newport pier and look pretty much stripped. Apparently there is an effort to tow the 'Toga over near Quonset Point and make her a museum. Jacksonville couldn't do it...so let's hope RI can.

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Anyway, back to PT's - I decided I wanted to eat dinner at the Melville Grille. The food smelled good and it was located in what looked like on of the old shops, so how could we go wrong? I was hoping to find some mention of PT's on the menu or on the walls (apparently there used to be) but all we found was non-descript sailing models/nautical theme inside. At least the ceiling retained a Quonset look!

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We ended the day with good beer, delicious food and the satisfaction of all that we had seen on the first day.

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Grandson of James J Stanton
RON 15 PT 209 and RON 23 PT 243
Check out: www.pistolpackinmama.net

Posted By: newsnerd99 | Posted on: Jun 18, 2008 - 2:33am
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To All those that pased thru Melville:

Photo 6 that Jim took while on his tour of the old site. Does anyone remember what that might have been. I know its a tough task to try and remember that far back. It was one building I missed when I was there a few years back. Also, anyone have any photo's of the old POOL BUILDING. I heard it was still there..............

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jun 21, 2008 - 8:43am
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To help anyone's memory, it's this building that Frank's talking about:

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and it is located here today (red arrow):

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It is as close to the water that any of the buildings get. It looks like it would have been in place after this photo was taken. Frank - this is the one off the wall of your exhibit...any idea of the date?

Grandson of James J Stanton
RON 15 PT 209 and RON 23 PT 243
Check out: www.pistolpackinmama.net

Posted By: newsnerd99 | Posted on: Jun 21, 2008 - 5:17pm
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Jim, not sure of the date of the photo. I think it was sometime in late 43. As to the building, what an awesome PT BOAT BUILDING it would make. Can you imagine fixing up the building and putting my Exhibit in there with my engine and other items from other people. The exhibit would be rght there, where the men trained. Wish I had the connections and the money to do something like that because, that would be one place where I would put my Exhibit on a permanat basis. Maybe I will make some calls...........

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jun 21, 2008 - 5:51pm
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That picture is from January 1943. At the bottom center of the picture, you can see the contruction starting for the drill hall. The big (still existing) double building is actuallyl across the street from where you have your red arrow. IT was built in two stages, first the square buidling and then the quonset hut. RTU used it for boat repair training. Here's a picture from Feb 1945 which shows its location. (The big white thing on the left hand side.)

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Charlie

Posted By: 29navy | Posted on: Jun 21, 2008 - 6:28pm
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Charlie

Thanks very much. Is there an arial view of the base today which would show that building (RTU) As I said, I would love to put a PT BOAT MUSEUM in that building...........

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jun 21, 2008 - 11:15pm
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[b]OLD SITE OF MTBSTC Melville, RI[/b]

Frank, I read your post and thought I'd take a look on goggle maps, and low and behold I found it. I had to take a screen shoot then play with it in PhotoShop. Had to rotate it, size it, crop it dicker with a bit - did my best to make it look similar to Charlies photo post. Enjoy . . .

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Just for fun here is the color version I took from google

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Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Jun 22, 2008 - 12:25am
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Dick
That's awesome, thanks very much. Actually there are several buildings stil around. The ones to the right, you can't access. Wish I could get in there to take photo's. Such a great place with such History. Wonder if Rhode Island would be interested in a PT BOAT MUSEUM in that area, hmmmmmmmmmm.

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jun 22, 2008 - 5:05am
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Very cool pictures guys! Thanks for sharing...

Frank - it would be great to see more than a marker at Melville! I'm betting though that getting that building would mean replacing it nearby for their operation. I'm thinking it is still in use for boat repair; there are mobile dolly's and lifts next to it for moving boats out and around; it looks like they do a fair amount of business.

Grandson of James J Stanton
RON 15 PT 209 and RON 23 PT 243
Check out: www.pistolpackinmama.net

Posted By: newsnerd99 | Posted on: Jun 22, 2008 - 7:41am
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Jim, Frank, Charlie, and Dick --

Fascinating stuff, guys. Thanks for the posts.

Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Jun 23, 2008 - 1:58am
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Some of these items are in Charlie Jones new book. That old building with the rusted sides would make a great PT BOAT MUSEUM. Anyone have any connections with the land owners at Melville.

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Apr 21, 2011 - 12:26pm
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Frank;
What is the size of that building? 100'x40'? what is the size of the rear portion? That can be your museum and sometime larger can be placed inside the Quonset hut portion????
Take care,
TED
P.S. my suggestion on the ownership question is give Melville Grill a call, maybe they have some contact numbers for that end of the marina.

Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Apr 22, 2011 - 4:59am
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The owners are New England Boatworks. They still use those buildings. The Qonset is a 100x40, the back building is about the same.

The building are in pretty rough shape. WHen they had the fire that took out some of the waterfront warehouses, when they (people that work there) heard there was a fire, they assumed it was this one. Maybe they were hoping it was this one!

Charlie

Posted By: 29navy | Posted on: Apr 22, 2011 - 5:28am
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Charlie

I know. Those old Quonset style huts are wonderful pieces of History, but if not taken care of, forget it. It would be a DREAM to have my Exhibit there, as well as my PACKARD ENGINE, but I do not have the kind of money needed to fix that building, and from the looks of it, I would guess it would need plenty of work. One of the Quonset huts on the main concrete roadway would also be a DREAM. I can only imagine painting one of the huts GREEN and looking out over the Basin, a sign saying MOSQUITO FLEET EXHIBIT, having people come in to learn the history of the boats and MTBSTC. I have learned though from experience, that just because I love PT BOATS, does not mean others do, so getting one of those buildings would be a long shot at best. Maybe I will call up New England Boat Works, and send them a proposal. You never know unless you ask........................

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Apr 22, 2011 - 5:52am
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I did manage to speak with Mr. Robert Sharkey this morning from New England Boat Works. He handles many things for the owners, and I decided to run my proposal by him about the possibility of a PT BOAT EXHIBIT on site. As suspected, all of the buildings and space at the old MTBSTC is being used, although he liked the idea. I will now send a proposal letter to Mr. Tom Rich, one of the owners of the Marina. You never know, maybe one day it could be possible. I think it certainly would be a plus to the area, but then again anything pertaining to PT BOATS has my vote.............

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Apr 22, 2011 - 7:23am
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Frank;
If the building is named a National Historical site, can't you apply for a Government restoration grant? National Historic Preservation Act
Take care,
TED

Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Apr 22, 2011 - 1:29pm
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Imagine my surprise when I saw this old thread getting new legs!

Great idea Frank...it would be a fitting place for another PT museum/exhibit... the work to get it into a historic building like that would be daunting though.

Grandson of James J Stanton
RON 15 PT 209 and RON 23 PT 243
Check out: www.pistolpackinmama.net

Posted By: newsnerd99 | Posted on: Apr 24, 2011 - 12:33pm
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Jim

I think you are correct. Being so far away from Melville (roughly 2.5 hours) would mean traveling back and forth to do business. I do not have that kind of time, and it would take an incredible about of my time, resources, not to mention money I do not have to get into this type venture. Maybe when I hit the lottery before September I can really move forward on these plans. I still have the letter drafted to be mailed out, so I am curious as to what they will say.

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Apr 24, 2011 - 2:56pm
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Maybe a static display mounted behind lucite that could be left with minimal security and no staffing?

Grandson of James J Stanton
RON 15 PT 209 and RON 23 PT 243
Check out: www.pistolpackinmama.net

Posted By: newsnerd99 | Posted on: Apr 25, 2011 - 8:44am
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