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A few new drawings
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Keeping quite busy with new drawings and slowly getting better with color renderings.
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Sep 18, 2021 - 9:28pm
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Nice Al the color really helps highlighting different areas
Posted By: Grady | Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 - 4:36am
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Certainly very nice drawings and crucial to those that want to learn more about the different Elco Designs. Color added so important and will help those that not only want to know about the way the boats were painted but for those that research to build models
Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Sep 19, 2021 - 6:42am
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Thanks Al, nice work! I particularly like seeing the 70, 77, and 80 boats together for an excellent comparison of size differences.
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Sep 21, 2021 - 10:13am
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Al Ross and I discussed the color scheme for the 103 class Elco boats. Confusing because in looking at the PT-103 at the launching ceremonies she does not look to be dark in color on her upper cabin structures as depicted in Al's color drawings. I knew I had a photo somewhere the proves these colors, but could not find it yesterday. Today i did some digging in my files and sure enough found those colors used for PT-129.
Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Sep 21, 2021 - 10:57am
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I had this shot of the 103 that looks to be the same color scheme as your shot of the 129. Probably:
Dark Gray 5-D on the deck and topsides
Navy Gray #5 on the hull
Note the lack of mufflers:
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Sep 21, 2021 - 1:21pm
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The tubes should be 5D and the smoke generator facing aft.
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Sep 21, 2021 - 6:31pm
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My favorite paint scheme. I just like the way it looks. I wonder why the original mast didn't continue? Also curious about the rigid signal flags. Juliet, Golf, Juliet? What is t he significance of that?
Thanks for the great drawings, Al.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Sep 22, 2021 - 9:45am
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Nice work Al, as always . . . . Looooking gooood!
As I was looking at the drawings, then comparing it to the photo image Frankie uploaded, as regards to color scheme. I notice that boat PT 129 in the photo was painted differently than I had noticed before on other photos of early 80-foot Elco boats. If you look at the front of the 129 boat, the upper deck 5D color extends down from the deck and onto the rub strip and gunwale. It finishes with a curved down painted area to the front edge of the bow. Below I’ve posted several early Elco boat images, that surely stole from around the internet over all these years. Out of all the images of the 103, 117 and the 129, only the 129 shows this paint variant.
INTERESTING . . .
Also, I noticed on the drawing of the early Elco 77-foot boat (your dad’s PT 34) it missing the Lewis guns. I only say this because there was a discussion a few posts back, about the Lewis guns, and you reminisce about your dad having used them on the 34 boat. I also thought, maybe they are missing because this was a later configuration, but the Turret Domes were still attached. Also hat wouldn’t be so, because the 34 had a very short life, unlike your dad who by Gods good grace lived through the Bataan March and the POW camps of the Philippines.
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Sep 23, 2021 - 5:10pm
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I think I will go full LT on you Dick...[:-good-:] I fully agree about the 5D on the rub rai and will correctl. Re: Lewis guns - they appear to have been fitted sometime between completion and shipment. Note that the trials photos for 20, 32, & 33 do not have them. They are on the boats in the tanker photos.
Al
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Sep 24, 2021 - 10:11am
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Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Sep 24, 2021 - 10:13am
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I just noticed that the photo of 33 is a doctored photo of 20. Initially, PT20 had the birdcage turret domes of the 70' boats and these are easily recognized in the photo when enlarged. Damn, I wish people wouldn't screw with original photos like this. The supposed photo of PT41 is a doctored shot of 32, as well.
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Sep 24, 2021 - 10:19am
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Hey David, I always wondered what those 3 flags stood for. By the way they were called "Jig George Jig" in 1942. The newer names you referred to were not put into use until 1949 I believe. It seems that several of the Elco boats in these photos are displaying those 3 particular flags, so maybe it was a local signal to designate they were being tested by the builder and not yet in commission or something? I hope somebody knows the answer to this one!
Jerry Gilmartin
PT658 Crewman
Portland OR
Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Sep 24, 2021 - 5:27pm
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Jig-George-Jig: Keep Clear of me-I need a Pilot-Keep clear of me. Meaning: Stay away rookie Skipper!
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Nov 8, 2021 - 3:24pm
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Hey nice work Ted and Jerry! We've been discussing and wondering about that for a long time.
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Nov 11, 2021 - 7:23am
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Please excuse this long time coming response to the Elco 80’-footer paint scheme.
When I reviewed and posted the various photos, PT 103, 117, & 129. I had noticed the 129-boat had what appeared to be a slight paint scheme difference compared to the others boats. Well . . . . . . Jeff and I had discussed this through a couple back and forth emails. Where he thought it was more likely a shadow than a paint scheme variation. And of course, being a smarty butt, he gleefully decided to prove me, yes I said, gleefully decided to prove me wrong. Can you believe it, wow! wow!, wow!.
So, Mr. Smarty Butt, better known as Jeff Davidson, got out his old rusty PT 103 3D modeling art, and proceeded to investigate how a similar shadow could achieved by adding some lighting effects to his 3D hull model.
Now, everyone must realize that he is adding all types of Hollywood 3D magic and boogaloo, just to make his desire effect seem plausible. I will let you be the judge of his trickery and smugness . . . . Yes I will let you be the judge!
[b]ALL I HAVE TO SAY . . . [/b] it sure looks like a shadow instead of a paint scheme variant . . . Nice work, Jeff! ! ! !
Dick . . .
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Nov 11, 2021 - 2:15pm
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Nyah Nyah!
LOL when you first mentioned it, I hadn't even noticed it. I guess I don't have a good eye for the obvious! Then I thought interesting and also thought it was a nice paint touch. It wouldn't have been the first example of a custom paint job we've seen, witness the Elcopuss. Then I remembered an image I had seen the previous day on another forum of an aircraft carrier with what looked like unusual camo. Most agreed but one NARA researcher said it was shadow and posted another shot from the same time frame with a solid color. So I whipped out my model and spent hours futzing with lighting and happened upon a close match. I whooped loudly and knew I could use it to make you LOOK BAD! BWAHAHAHA!!! :D
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Nov 12, 2021 - 3:07pm
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