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» Topic: PT 155 & PT 133
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Hope everyone is doing well, recently I purchased some PT boat photos on ebay. This picture is PT 155 and PT 133 docked side by side along with several other boats. Im not sure where this picture was taken and what other boats were next to them. This photo is from a private collection and has never been shown before. Look at the cool nose art on the torpedo of PT 155.

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Posted By: Travis B | Posted on: Sep 1, 2020 - 4:52pm
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Posted By: Travis B | Posted on: Sep 1, 2020 - 5:03pm
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Nice, thanks Travis that's a new one to me!




Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Sep 2, 2020 - 6:02am
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Sweet!

Will

Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Sep 2, 2020 - 10:44am
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Thanks, Travis!

PT photos are always, always welcome!



Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Sep 2, 2020 - 2:12pm
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Travis;
Nice find! looking at the SO-3 radar and the MK50 rocket launcher on PT 155, this photo is from 1945, this could be Morotai in the Halmaheras . I don't think that is PT 133 which was destroyed 15 July 1944 by Japanese shore batteries near Cape Pus, New Guinea.

Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Sep 4, 2020 - 11:25am
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This photo is a puzzler. I wish the number on the second boat was clearer.

If this is from 1945, given the SO-3 radar, there are a few options:

PT-155 was part of RON 9. That RON left Morotai in February 1945 for overhaul at Mios Woendi. In April they deployed through Kossol Passage at Palau to Advance Base 17 Samar. By the end of May, they were operating from Advance Base 3 on Malamaui Island, Basilan, Philippines, patrolling the Sulu Archipelago and Northeast Borneo.

From the time RON 9 left Mios Woendi, they and RON 8 constituted TU 70.1.11. The boats of RON 8 were PTs 66-68, 120-122, 129-130, 142-150, and 188. My vision isn't the best, but to me the "PT-133" in the photo doesn't look like any of those numbers.




Posted By: CJ Skamarakas | Posted on: Sep 4, 2020 - 12:12pm
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Below is an image I tried my best to clean-up. However, this is the best that can be done from this posted image from Travis.

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Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Sep 4, 2020 - 1:02pm
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Good eyes and knowledge guys, and nice work Dick. Probably a later boat, the 133 would have had armor plate and the lower arched-top port bridge bulkhead as seen on the 155 if the armor had been removed. Although I suppose they could have added the taller 'armor plate replacement' used on PT's 163 on. I got nuthin'... maybe the 3 is a 6 or an 8? It looks like something is blocking the 3 and 1 a little.

Thanks for the mystery Travis, this is our idea of fun! If you're willing, could you send me the original scan you made assuming it is a higher resolution?




Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Sep 5, 2020 - 5:24am
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How about "143"? PT-143 and 155 both operated from Base 3 in 1945.



Posted By: CJ Skamarakas | Posted on: Sep 5, 2020 - 9:38am
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Good eyes and knowledge guys, and nice work Dick. Probably a later boat, the 133 would have had armor plate and the lower arched-top port bridge bulkhead as seen on the 155 if the armor had been removed. Although I suppose they could have added the taller 'armor plate replacement' used on PT's 163 on. I got nuthin'... maybe the 3 is a 6 or an 8? It looks like something is blocking the 3 and 1 a little.

Thanks for the mystery Travis, this is our idea of fun! If you're willing, could you send me the original scan you made assuming it is a higher resolution?



Jeff, I don't have a way to scan the picture. I am willing to ship the photo to you if you have the capabilities to scan the photo and increase the resolution so that way we can figure out what number the other PT boat is. Send me a email autopartsguy88@gmail.com





Posted By: Travis B | Posted on: Sep 5, 2020 - 4:45pm
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Look on the bow of the mystery boat under the canvas cover I think I see some numbers? They may be easier to decipher?

Jerry Gilmartin
PT658 Crewman
Portland OR

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Sep 6, 2020 - 12:31am
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Hey thanks Travis, that is very generous of you! But you hang on to it and keep it safe, I'd hate to be responsible for something happening to it in the mail. I was just wondering if you had a higher res digital copy for my collection. You may be able to see a bit more with a magnifying glass if you have one. Once again thanks for posting this very cool image!

I don't know CJ, you could be right. I have a bunch of 143 images but none with the newer radar visible. They are Bill Skades I think, that Jerry posted a long time ago.

I can't tell Jerry, it's all a confusing jumble to me at the bow...




Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Sep 6, 2020 - 12:19pm
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I can look through my colection of Bill Skades PT143 photosand repost later tonight.

Jerry Gilmartin
PT658 Crewman
Portland OR

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Sep 6, 2020 - 3:42pm
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I can look through my colection of Bill Skades PT143 photosand repost later tonight.

So I looked and all of the PT143 pics that I have show her with the older SOA radar dome style mounted. However, I did notice a photo of PT163 Who Me? taken in the Philippines in 1945 showing both a 5 inch SSR Launcher and SO3 Radar. So maybe the mystery boat is PT163?

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Jerry Gilmartin
PT658 Crewman
Portland OR



Jerry Gilmartin
PT658 Crewman
Portland OR

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Sep 6, 2020 - 10:55pm
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Thanks Jerry. I'm confused.



Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Sep 7, 2020 - 6:08am
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I'm thinking it's the 163 boat...

Will

Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Sep 8, 2020 - 4:55pm
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scanned the photo using 1200 dpi, after zooming in on the boat I say it is PT 183. The file is to big to post on the forum but if anyone wants me to email them a copy I can do so.
[:-cheers-:]



Posted By: Travis B | Posted on: Sep 8, 2020 - 6:27pm
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Great Travis, can you send it to me? Just click the envelope icon above this message of mine, to the left of the date. I'll post a crop of the number here. Thank you!



Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Sep 9, 2020 - 6:51am
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Great Travis, can you send it to me? Just click the envelope icon above this message of mine, to the left of the date. I'll post a crop of the number here. Thank you!


Just sent over the email. Let me know if there is any issues.
-Travis



Posted By: Travis B | Posted on: Sep 9, 2020 - 4:45pm
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Here's the original scan Travis sent me (thank you!), and with it doubled in size. It could be either a 6 or 8 but I'd go with a 6. The upper loop looks like it is narrower at the top right and ends before hitting the bottom one. But my vision isn't the best:

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Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Sep 9, 2020 - 6:54pm
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After some research, I vote for PT 163 RON 10. LTjg Roger Jones was the CO, there are several photos of the boat and crew at Morotai, Sept-Dec 1944, in his book "PT Boat Episodes". It can probably be found on Ebay. By the way, this is the only boat I have read of that had 4 officers onboard at one time: LTjg Roger M. Jones CO(Relieved on Dec 14, 1944 at Morotai, by Parks. Jones returned to Melville as RON 4 PT 316 CO, later RON 41 PT 603 CO), ENS Robert Kane XO/EXEC(Later LTjg and CO of PT 171), LTjg Eugene Halvorson 3rd Off(later CO of PT 170), ENS Al Parks 4th Off.(later became XO/EXEC and later CO of PT 163).

Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Sep 9, 2020 - 7:31pm
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