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Revell Late Model Elco Review
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New here to this board, but I want to thank everyone for the help and information. I have done a two part video review of Revell's latest PT Boat and I thought it might be helpful and interesting . Here are the links ...
Part 1 [url]https://youtu.be/5587ooG1qnU[/url] Part 2 [url] https://youtu.be/_U1bSCzzzMU[/url] Paul
Posted By: pbudzik | Posted on: May 9, 2020 - 11:38am
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Well done and thorough review, thank you Bud. I enjoyed the humor too! I am sorry to see the issues with this kit, you would think these days the parts would have excellent fit and finish. The best thing that could be said is The general shapes are right. Just buy an ample quantity of body filler. You could park a VW in some of those sink holes. Thank you for doing this, now I'm wondering if their 109 kit has all the problems also. [:-cheers-:]
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 11, 2020 - 7:05am
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Great review! Thanks for taking the time to do the video's!
Former crew member of the Big Blue Sightseer ex-PT 486
Posted By: Gerry McGovern | Posted on: May 11, 2020 - 7:15am
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Thanks Jeff and Gerry. I have a question ... did I get it wrong about the torpedoes. Should all the fins be the same?
Thanks again,
Paul
Posted By: pbudzik | Posted on: May 11, 2020 - 6:27pm
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I suspect the guys will come up with a Mk. 13 manual. I completely missed the torpedo orientation on the reveal. Here's some detail on these torpedoes...
Fins. The vertical fins have no directional steering. The horizontal fins have depth planes (not sure what they are really called) Loaded on the boat the vertical fins should be vertical and the horizontal fins horizontal. You have them at 45 degrees which is incorrect. The other thing missing from the kit torpedoes are the stiffeners supporting the fins.
[image]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49886925132_21d34bb252_o.jpg[/image]
Here's a photo of a war shot. I believe the ring mounts are practice torpedoes. War shots appear as a cast fitting.
[image]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49886094048_6f5f326533_o.jpg[/image]
The item most missed on drawings and parts are the plates for the exploder. This plate is always on the bottom when loaded and you hardly ever see photos of them. As you can see from this drawing they actually curve up conforming to the rounded warhead. We worked with Italeri and on their parts accessory kit and were able to get the plates correctly molded. They are different than in the main kit.
[image]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49886611981_c253b6fcd0_o.jpg[/image]
Luis (a.k.a. Panzers vs Tanks on Shapeways and Holden8702 on Facebook) actually made some nice 3D prints available of the Mk. 13 in 1/72 scale. He seems to have pulled them off his site, concentrating mostly on figures these days. However he is printing them independently from Shapways now. If you contact him he may be able to print one on his personal 3D printer which performs better than the Shapeways offering. He did a SO2 radar for me that I'm very pleased with.
Update - I reached out to Luis. He's not going to ship for a couple of months until international shipping improves. At least that's the plan.
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: May 12, 2020 - 7:08am
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Good stuff, David...Thanks!
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: May 12, 2020 - 11:00am
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Dave,
Thanks very much ... that's a lot of great information.
Paul
Posted By: pbudzik | Posted on: May 12, 2020 - 12:50pm
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Here's an excellent Mark 13 torpedo manual: [url]http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/torpedomk13/index.htm[/url]
Polish your torpedo sir?
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 13, 2020 - 3:50am
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Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.... you just had to go there. [:-laughing-:]
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: May 15, 2020 - 8:35pm
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I just can't help myself. I do love that photo though with its clear details and shiny newness. And the lovely smiles on the ladies as they work to help us win the war.
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 17, 2020 - 3:38am
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Just noticed on the torpedo photo, with the ladies, the fins are of a different color. Wonder about this.
Bill P Reese
Posted By: billpr | Posted on: May 17, 2020 - 2:17pm
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They're blushing. [:-laughing-:]
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: May 18, 2020 - 8:15pm
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You can see the torpedo behind the blushing one has much of the dark color sanded off so it is probably a coating of some sort. The ladies probably rubbed that one out already.
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 19, 2020 - 2:49am
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Hi Everyone,
Hope you are all well. The manual mentions depth and steering rudders and actuators.
I think that the vertical fins do have active control. Have a look at page 19.
Best Regards,
Stu.
Posted By: Stuart Hurley | Posted on: May 19, 2020 - 1:32pm
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You're correct Stu. They do have tiny rudder controls. Good catch.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: May 22, 2020 - 9:31am
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In the view of the mufflers, it appears Revell missed the boat on the orientation of the flap controls in the mufflers.
Larry
62 Bel-Air
260 Eagle EXP
79 Cole TR-2
2016 Corvette Z51
Posted By: bubbletop409 | Posted on: May 23, 2020 - 7:10pm
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In the view of the mufflers, it appears Revell missed the boat on the orientation of the flap controls in the mufflers.
Larry
62 Bel-Air
260 Eagle EXP
79 Cole TR-2
2016 Corvette Z51
Posted By: bubbletop409 | Posted on: May 23, 2020 - 7:11pm
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In what way Larry? The mufflers look a little small but the linkages, at least those shown in the paint guide, look OK:
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 24, 2020 - 10:23am
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I was curious how the kit parts of the muffler flap linkage measured out in 1:1 scale. Converting from 1/72 scale they are 2.52 inches in diameter. Not surprising for a kit part. Perhaps the biggest surprise is that Revell provided any control linkage at all. Fortunately Eduard provided a more scale version in their photo etch set.
[:-cheers-:]
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: May 25, 2020 - 6:46am
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Jeff
In the part two review at around 3 minutes it shows the mufflers, and in that view it appears the flaps and linkage are ninety degrees to the main muffler body rather than at an angle. They should be parallel to the water surface when reproduced correctly.
Larry
62 Bel-Air
260 Eagle EXP
79 Cole TR-2
2016 Corvette Z51
Posted By: bubbletop409 | Posted on: May 25, 2020 - 11:36am
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Remember, these are PT Boats we're talking about. I can see how somebody would be confused looking at the photo above and this one. The pivots are not exactly parallel to the waterline. To your point I have seen photos of a nest of late model boats where they are all parallel to the waterline.
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: May 25, 2020 - 2:25pm
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Sheesh David, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't be able do even a halfway decent job with bending those tiny PE linkages.
Here's from 2 muffler drawings, it looks like the butterfly shafts are at right angles to the bodies:
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 26, 2020 - 3:15am
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I checked some other drawings, looks like they straightened them out on the later boats. Good call Larry:
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 26, 2020 - 6:42am
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I went through all the muffler drawings, it looks like PT's 103-162, except for PT 146, had the butterfly shafts at right angles to the mufflers and the rest of the Elco 80s had them parallel to the water line. This matches the boats with the small external water cooling feed pipes (the earlier boats, see the 109 image) vs those that didn't.
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 26, 2020 - 7:08am
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Thanks Jeff
Larry
62 Bel-Air
260 Eagle EXP
79 Cole TR-2
2016 Corvette Z51
Posted By: bubbletop409 | Posted on: May 26, 2020 - 12:08pm
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Thank you too Larry, I learned something new today thanks to you. And thanks to Dick of course for his bounty of Elco drawings that endlessly fascinate me .[:-cheers-:]
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 26, 2020 - 12:41pm
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