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» Topic: Higgins model
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Interesting model in the collection of the FDR Library in Hyde Park, NY.

[image]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/HIGGINS/MO%201945.8.1_01%20at%20FDR%20Library_zps6hcgawju.jpg[/image]



Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: May 2, 2017 - 1:34pm
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Al;
Nice! Do you know what scale it is? FDR had quite a collection of builders models.
Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: May 3, 2017 - 6:26am
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Also an interesting case...

Will

Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: May 3, 2017 - 12:24pm
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Interesting that the camouflage runs over the deck to include the torpedo tubes. This appears to be a very nice job of airbrushing.

Cheers!
--Bob

Posted By: Bob Steinbrunn | Posted on: May 3, 2017 - 2:06pm
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Bob;
That is the way Higgins PT's camo was, on deck, at least with the Pacific camo schemes.This is Measure 31/5P
Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: May 3, 2017 - 4:52pm
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Thanks Ted, much obliged regarding the Higgins boat camouflage. I was surprised since I'm building BlueJacket's 1/48 80' ELCO in the Measure 31/5P scheme also, but the camo didn't run across the deck, just along the vertical surfaces according to Sensei Al Ross. He indicates the deck was generally painted Deck Green 20-G, along with most other horizontal surfaces as seen from the air.

Cheers!
--Bob

Posted By: Bob Steinbrunn | Posted on: May 4, 2017 - 7:16am
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Bob,
I think originally with measure 5P the deck was supposed to be still in camo, just the Navy green 5-NG changed to Deck green 20-G on the deck areas, at least according to the measure 31 painting instruction chart. It is close but a little more blue. Whether it was like that in practice after a few repaints who knows?
You can see it in the photo of PT 195 in Panama here:

[url]http://www.ptboatforum.com/cgi-bin/MB2/netboardr.cgi?fid=102&cid=101&tid=3563&pg=28&sc=20&x=0[/url]

Best Regards,
Stu.






Posted By: Stuart Hurley | Posted on: May 4, 2017 - 7:26am
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Thanks Stu, much obliged. But now I'm more confused than ever.....fairly normal for me......[:-confused2-:]

The "US Navy Measure 31/5P Color Profile and Paint Guide" illustrates the camouflage running over the deck. However, its text says "Decks & other horizontal surfaces - Deck Green 20-G".

In the BJ instruction book Sensei Ross states "The patterns of the various green measures were applied to all vertical surfaces, while decks and all other horizontal surfaces, including the tops of the chart house and day cabin, were generally painted Deck Green (20-G)."

So, what to do? What to do? [:-smilearound-:]

Cheers!
--Bob

Posted By: Bob Steinbrunn | Posted on: May 4, 2017 - 1:50pm
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Very nice! I was captivated by the case as well. The model's pretty good too! :-)
Dave

David Waples

Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: May 4, 2017 - 9:25pm
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Thanks Stu, much obliged. But now I'm more confused than ever.....fairly normal for me......[:-confused2-:]

The "US Navy Measure 31/5P Color Profile and Paint Guide" illustrates the camouflage running over the deck. However, its text says "Decks & other horizontal surfaces - Deck Green 20-G".

In the BJ instruction book Sensei Ross states "The patterns of the various green measures were applied to all vertical surfaces, while decks and all other horizontal surfaces, including the tops of the chart house and day cabin, were generally painted Deck Green (20-G)."

So, what to do? What to do? [:-smilearound-:]

Cheers!
--Bob


Bob,
I agree the decks were often deck green with the camo on the vertical surfaces only, especially with the later interpretations of 5P and certainly with 12L
It may be that only the original factory applied 5P camo was on the decks.

You can see it here also.
[url]http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/05547.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/05194.htm[/url]




Best Regards,
Stu.






Posted By: Stuart Hurley | Posted on: May 5, 2017 - 2:26am
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Thanks again, Stu. I'll go with the deck - and other horizontal surfaces - in Deck Green 20-G. I appreciate the links to the NavSource photos, too!

Cheers!
--Bob

Posted By: Bob Steinbrunn | Posted on: May 5, 2017 - 6:42am
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Hello,


That is a very fine model Higgins PT.

I found my old Mosquito fleet book I got many years ago. This book was by Bob Ferrell. On the back pages is a drawing of a Higging with what he said was measure31 color. The drawing shows this to be black and green on deck as well as on the hull.

I am in no way knowledgeable of the measures in WW2. This is why I joined this forum to get help from the pros.

Once again the model is very fine looking.

Lets keep the memory alive !

Bill Reese

Bill P Reese

Posted By: billpr | Posted on: May 5, 2017 - 2:35pm
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