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Help needed in identifying deck fitting-PT195
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Hi all, can anybody tell what this is?
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Looks like a tarp covering something mounted on a conical post on the sarboard deck edge,just behind the foot rail.
Could it be a gun or something?[:-confused2-:]
Suggestions/opinions welcome and appreciated.
Greetings
Daniele Kläy
Posted By: Daniele Klay | Posted on: Nov 26, 2016 - 8:38am
Total Posts: 126 | Joined: Jun 23, 2015 - 12:43pm
Daniele;
Take a look at PT 191 down the page. It looks like twin .50s is mounted in the same location you are mentioning on PT 195.
[url]http://www.ptboatforum.com/cgi-bin/MB2/netboardr.cgi?fid=102&cid=101&tid=3563&pg=35&sc=20&x=0[/url]
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Nov 26, 2016 - 11:53am
Total Posts: 3059 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am
Ted,that makes a lot of sense and would be a veeeeery nice addition to my project,the twin.50s seem to be on a field rigged mount instead of the standard mk17 if I see it right....
What makes me wonder is,assuming the mistery object is a twin.50, why should they be covered while all other guns are manned and apparently ready for action in the PT195 picture.
Daniele Kläy
Posted By: Daniele Klay | Posted on: Nov 26, 2016 - 12:31pm
Total Posts: 126 | Joined: Jun 23, 2015 - 12:43pm
Daniele:
Simple, it is covered because it is not in use.This mount, is mainly for close in work,(shorelines, barges, etc.). So it is covered to minimuize exposure to salt spray. The other weapons are dual purpose mounts, anti aircraft to and from target, then shore bombardment/anti ship, when at target.
Also the "threat" appears to be off the portside of the boat, as most of the crew is looking that way, the boat off the portside is moving slower, to get out of 195 field of fire, suggesting to me that the OTC is on 195, and will lead the gun run. notice what appears to be a Island, 2-3 miles off portside beyond port boat. This appears to be the target or threat. whether its real or practice I don't know.
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Ted%20Walther/PT-1951-01.jpg[/image]
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Nov 27, 2016 - 8:03am
Total Posts: 3059 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am
Don't think it's a gun run, those turret 20mms don't look manned.
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Nov 27, 2016 - 1:19pm
Total Posts: 1955 | Joined: Oct 8, 2006 - 4:19pm
Looks like the quad .50s are trained to port though...
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Nov 27, 2016 - 1:22pm
Total Posts: 1955 | Joined: Oct 8, 2006 - 4:19pm
Hold on there folks!
Danieles assumption "while all other guns are manned and apparently ready for action in the PT195 picture" I think is in error. These guys in the photo are most certainly NOT at General Quarters Battle Stations! Just look at them! Seriously? Half of them are just leaning on the warhead of the forward starboard torpedo, half of them are not wearing even a helmet, and several have no life jacket or pants or shirts on. This was fine if you were just in transit for a "photo shoot" but if they were really manning the weapons for action they would all be dressed out with AT LEAST a helmet and life jacket and not just lounging around on the deck. Yes it was lax aboard most Pacific War PT Boats, but not that lax. Many skippers required the crew have a pair of pants and a shirt on to protect their skin from flash burns.
Of course they could remove all the extra clothing when they were not expecting action, but I am 99% sure that if this boat was about to enter a battle, they would not be in this relaxed of a state of readiness as is shown in the photo. These guys are likely on their way back home after a mission and are not pointing their guns at anything in particular.
Ted, what say you?
PT150 40mm gun crew
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/PT658%202014/PT15040mmTargetPractice.jpg[/image]
PT143 manning guns on bow
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Jerry%20Gilmartin/BillSkadeRON8PT143shorebombardment.jpg[/image]
Crew loading 37mm cannon
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Jerry%20Gilmartin/LoadingMk437mmcannononElcoPT.jpg[/image]
PT204 20mm gun crew
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Jerry%20Gilmartin/PT204DavePrenticeaims20mmskyward.jpg[/image]
Jerry Gilmartin
PT658 Crewman
Portland OR
Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Nov 27, 2016 - 3:33pm
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Hi Jerry, thanks for contributing, your statement is surely right, on the other hand all the guys on the foredeck are wearing helmets and life jackets-except for the gaggle of crewmembers around the forward starboard torpedo-so a practice gun run looks plausible as an option-to me at least-. That still leaves the mistery object unknown[:-unhappy-:]
Daniele Kläy
Posted By: Daniele Klay | Posted on: Nov 27, 2016 - 9:27pm
Total Posts: 126 | Joined: Jun 23, 2015 - 12:43pm
They look like shrouded twin .50s to me.....
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Nov 28, 2016 - 1:36pm
Total Posts: 1955 | Joined: Oct 8, 2006 - 4:19pm
Jerry;
You are correct this is not a real GQ situation, I hope I didn't insinuate that. It is more than likely "Training, which could be held during transit or returning from a mission. this was at the discretion of the Skipper. They could be having training here on weapons familiarization, which includes, training of the weapon, nomenclature,(fire rates, effective and maximum ranges etc.), jam/clear drills, setting/re setting timing(.50's on Maxon)and dry fire drills.
The guy near the aft corner of the dayroom "appears" to have a MK ll sound powered phone helmet, on.He can either be a member of the "black gang" getting some air, or the 40 mm mount talker.
There are several guys on the bow of the other boat, also. leading me to believe that the "Mock/Training Threat" is on that island,
Until proven otherwise, my guess is that is a covered twin .50 on a shorty mount.
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Nov 28, 2016 - 6:22pm
Total Posts: 3059 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am
Well guys thanks to all for the effort, twin .50s will be.... I'll have to scratchbuild two perforated barrel jackets in 1/16th, will be fun..[:-cheers-:]
Greetings.
P.S. looks like someone in Great Britain is going to make modifications to an already finished model.
Daniele Kläy
Posted By: Daniele Klay | Posted on: Nov 28, 2016 - 10:46pm
Total Posts: 126 | Joined: Jun 23, 2015 - 12:43pm
Hello Daniele,
LOL. I haven't quite finished it yet, been having a break. The water dio and sourcing all the figures have been the sticking point. Good to see your progress though, I have been following it. Amazing skill.
Thanks for the extra work :-)
S
Best Regards,
Stu.
Posted By: Stuart Hurley | Posted on: Nov 30, 2016 - 1:51am
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