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Hi. My name is Colin and I collect Pre WW2/WW2 USMC and USN. I have been collecting for about 5 years now. I recently became interested in PT Boats in the past couple of months after I had bought an USN N3 jacket at the Show of Show's this year with Squadron 16's logo on the back of it with PT 299 also written on it(I'll post a photo of it below). After looking online I had found a deck jacket with the same logo on it which was also posted here(I'l post a link to the topic showing it since I can't seem to get the image to post). I look forward to talking with many of the members here and learning a lot from this forum. Thanks. http://www.ptboatforum.com/cgi-bin/MB2/netboardr.cgi?cid=101&fid=102&tid=3443

N3 Jacket

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Posted By: knd643 | Posted on: May 24, 2016 - 11:33pm
Total Posts: 7 | Joined: May 23, 2016 - 5:31pm



Welcome to the Forum, Colin.

Interesting -- I hadn't known the Navy N3 utility shirt/jacket was different from the USMC's M-1941. I had thought they were the same item.

Looks like the former owner of your jacket wore it to do some (postwar?) painting...



Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: May 25, 2016 - 7:21am
Total Posts: 1194 | Joined: Oct 19, 2006 - 10:44am



Drew;
The Navy utility jacket was, however, different from its Marine Corps cousin in a couple of ways. The Navy used 8.5 ounce herringbone twill material dyed in the darker olive drab shade 7 instead of the 9 ounce, light shade material used by the Marines for their utility uniforms. Navy utilities had an identifying "USN" ink stamp(which was almost never applied, the guys were supposed to do it, they were also issued a stamp and ink set for this and their name, which was usually applied across the back, at shoulder blade level) applied to the top right rear pocket of the trousers and to the breast pocket of the jacket, whereas the Marines only placed their identifying mark on the chest pocket of the coat. Variations of the Navy ink stamping exist due to the use of different font types and the on and off again use of periods separating the letters (http://www.usww2uniforms.com/USN_N3_Utility_Jacket.html#thumb)

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The Navy version also had different buttons. 72 years after he was issued it, I still have my Dad's.

Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: May 25, 2016 - 9:12am
Total Posts: 2751 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am



Thanks, Ted.

I'd always remembered the UDT guys in the movie "The Frogmen" wearing the utilities with "USN" on the chest pockets, some of them with a painting of a shark swimming through a big number "4" on the back.

As I said, I'd always thought they were the same as USMC utilities -- now I know differently.



Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: May 25, 2016 - 1:09pm
Total Posts: 1194 | Joined: Oct 19, 2006 - 10:44am



It was probably used as a painting shirt post war or possibly the paint got on it during his service. I haven't been able to find any photos of PT 299. I have been able to find info on it but not any photos. I saw on a topic a guy was asking for photos of it and another member had some but he emailed them to the other member instead of posting them on here. Does anyone have any photos of PT 299 that they can post or possibly email to me?



Posted By: knd643 | Posted on: May 25, 2016 - 1:56pm
Total Posts: 7 | Joined: May 23, 2016 - 5:31pm



Drew and Colin;
I thought you might like to see these:

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UDT TEAM 4 Maui, T.H. prior to deployment. They cleared obstacles at Guam on 14-17 July 1944. The invasion took place on 21 July 1944.

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UDT TEAM 4 Roster, Bronze Plaque at UDT/SEAL Museum, Fort Pierce, Florida.
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Ted%20Walther/SERGIE%20AALTO%20UDT%204.jpg[/image]
This photo is in Edward Steichen's book"US Navy War Photographs ", for years it was titled "Warrior in Trunks, unknown UDT man". I have since found out this is Painter 2/C Sergei K. Aalto USNR, his nickname was "Swede". Date is July 14, 1944. He was a Plankowner of UDT 4 and he participated in operations at Guam (7/14-7/17/44), Peleliu (9/12/44), Leyte(10/10/44), and Okinawa(4/1/45).

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UDT TEAM 4 paddle towards Agat Beach, 19 July 1944.

[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Ted%20Walther/UDT%20TEAM%204%20SIGN%20GUAM.jpg[/image]
The REAL sign that the Marines got to read as they came ashore on Guam 21 July 1944.

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A authentic UDT TEAM 4 , with UDT 4 Shark in ink.

[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Ted%20Walther/UDT%203%20SIGN%20GUAM.jpg[/image]
Most people don't know it, but, here is UDT TEAM 3 sign placed on the beach on 14 July 1944, the same day UDT 4 placed theirs. Because of the books and movie, only UDT 4 gets the mention. In fact from Guam on, the Marines were met with UDT signs like these everywhere they went, including Japan, which read " USN UNDERWATER DEMOLITION TEAM 21 WELCOMES THE U.S. MARINES TO JAPAN".
Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: May 26, 2016 - 7:54am
Total Posts: 2751 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am



Thanks, Ted.

I've seen that photo of the UDT 4 man nicknamed "Swede" before -- I always thought he resembled the actor Alan Hale, Jr. in his younger days, particularly as he appeared, with a beard, in the James Garner movie "Up Periscope" (in which Garner portrayed a UDT man).

When I first lived on St. Thomas in the mid-1960's, I got to meet members of UDT 21, visiting them with my Dad a time or two at their barracks at the old Sub Base, and I remember watching them fill their air tanks and rinse their parachute canopies in fresh water there. They used to do exhibition jumps into the harbor at Carnival time, tooling around and picking up the jumpers in a landing craft.

They were pretty cool and laid-back guys, and I was in awe of them as an 11 and 12-year old.



Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: May 26, 2016 - 12:34pm
Total Posts: 1194 | Joined: Oct 19, 2006 - 10:44am



Drew;
Being a old DBG(Dirty Boat Guy), some of the best men I ever met and are still friends with, are UDT/SEAL. I last went to their muster in Fort Pierce in November 2013, to celebrate my Seadaddy's passing and life, QMCS(SEAL) James D. "Patches" Watson USN (Ret.) UDT 21/SEAL TEAM 2(Plankowner). On Sunday morning at sunrise current team members, dressed in traditional UDT gear(mask, UDT life vest, UDT shorts, and fins), swim the ashes of the member who has crossed over to frogman heaven, out beyond the surf zone, and commits the ashes to the deep. It is a beautiful sight.
Didn't I send you a few photos of UDT 21 in St. Thomas, a few years ago? If not, let me know and I will send them to your private Email. What better weekend to send them as Memorial Day Weekend.
Take care,
TED[:-sunglasses-:]



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: May 26, 2016 - 2:12pm
Total Posts: 2751 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am



Ted,

I don't think you sent me photos of UDT 21 on St. Thomas, as I'd still have them in my Pictures file -- I'd love to see them.

I do have one taken on St. Thomas, probably from the late '50s, that I found on the internet a while ago, in which Joe Vogel, who was a good friend of my family and a commercial SCUBA instructor on St. Thomas for many years, appears. Don't know if it was actually of UDT 21 itself, or just a winter training group shot.

Didn't know Patches Watson was your Seadaddy! I still have a mint paperback copy of his book "Point Man."





Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: May 26, 2016 - 3:14pm
Total Posts: 1194 | Joined: Oct 19, 2006 - 10:44am



Drew;,
Yes, I had two Seadaddy's Jim was one, and BMCM (SEAL) Charles W. "Chuck" Steffey Jr. USN (Ret.),UDT21/Chuting Stars/ST4/ST6/SBU 24 CMC/SBR 2 (MCTRNG DEPT), was the other. Both are gone to frogman heaven now. I went to both services in Arlington, (Chuck in Jan 2001 and Jim in Feb 2014, he had two services). I had many more mentors.
Take care,
TED




Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: May 26, 2016 - 4:08pm
Total Posts: 2751 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am



May somebody share some pics about diving equipment?

Would be nice for future figure models.

Thanks and best regards

Luis

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Posted By: HOLDEN8702 | Posted on: May 27, 2016 - 5:52am
Total Posts: 47 | Joined: Apr 13, 2016 - 1:36am



Ted.

The UDT Archives do not have the UDT 3 photo you posted.
Would you please contact Ruth at the archives.

Ruth McSween
Curator
Navy SEAL Museum

3300 N. HWY A1A
Fort Pierce, FL 34949
(772) 595-5845 Ext. 202
www.NavySEALmuseum.org

Thank you very much,
Brian Matter
mcb133aco@yahoo.com

Brian

Posted By: Brian Matter | Posted on: Aug 10, 2017 - 8:46am
Total Posts: 4 | Joined: Jul 18, 2017 - 8:55am



Brian;
Roger that.
Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 11, 2017 - 8:34pm
Total Posts: 2751 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am




Ted.

The UDT Archives do not have the UDT 3 photo you posted.
Would you please contact Ruth at the archives.

Ruth McSween
Curator
Navy SEAL Museum

3300 N. HWY A1A
Fort Pierce, FL 34949
(772) 595-5845 Ext. 202
www.NavySEALmuseum.org

Thank you very much,
Brian Matter
mcb133aco@yahoo.com

Brian


Ted,

Sorry to be bother to you. I have two more requests if you would be so good.

The Seabee archives do not have that photo either. The head archivist there is Gina Nichols and I am certain she would like to talk to you about a scan also.

Nichols, Gina L. CIV NHHC, CB Museum
gina.nichols@navy.mil
(805) 982-6497

Lastly, I have been working on the Seabee Wikipedia article and very much would like to post that image, I expect that you own it and thought I would ask. It is a case a photo is better than a 1000 words and it is. Thank you again,
Brian


Brian

Posted By: Brian Matter | Posted on: Aug 16, 2017 - 8:40pm
Total Posts: 4 | Joined: Jul 18, 2017 - 8:55am



Ted,

Sorry to be a bother to you. I have two more requests if you would be so good.

The Seabee archives do not have that photo either. The head archivist there is Gina Nichols and I am certain she would like to talk to you about a scan also.

Nichols, Gina L. CIV NHHC, CB Museum
gina.nichols@navy.mil
(805) 982-6497

Lastly, I have been working on the Seabee Wikipedia article and very much would like to post that image, I expect that you own it and thought I would ask. It is a case a photo is better than a 1000 words and it is. Thank you again,
Brian



Brian

Posted By: Brian Matter | Posted on: Aug 18, 2017 - 8:40am
Total Posts: 4 | Joined: Jul 18, 2017 - 8:55am



Brian;
Roger that. Since you are working on a SEABEE article, many of the early NCDU's and UDT 1, 2, were SEABEE's. UDT 3 was made up of predominantly SEABEE volunteers from NTB Camp Bradford, which is part of NAB Little Creek, Today it is called Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek Fort Story(JEBLCFS). UDT 13 was also a predominantly SEABEE team. UDT 14 was the first all Navy Team, meaning all volunteers were USN( some had Army and Marine volunteers as well as SEABEES. UDT 10 was an all O.S.S. team) from fleet assignments(prior 12 months overseas, and participated in at least 1 major invasion, were requirements for this team). To add to your information Brian, if you haven't found it already, go to this website:http://www.navyfrogmen.com/NavalSpecialWarfareArchive.html
Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 18, 2017 - 9:11am
Total Posts: 2751 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am



Thank you.
Interesting stuff-

Information I had was that the first six NCDU classes graduated from "Area E" NTC Camp Peary (seabees had their dynamiting and demolition school there I believe and it provided the source for the "demolitioneers name- I think) and then the program was moved to Fort Pierce as the S&R school had moved there and the waters were warmer.

Brian

Brian

Posted By: Brian Matter | Posted on: Aug 20, 2017 - 1:05pm
Total Posts: 4 | Joined: Jul 18, 2017 - 8:55am



I happened to run across your forum. Sergei K Aalto was my father and he never spoke of his time as a UDT member. I have seen the USN photo and a Post magazine photo that identified him and noted with interest the operations he participated in that were mentioned by Ted Walther. How do I find out more about his service details? Thanks.

Posted By: K Aalto | Posted on: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:25am
Total Posts: 8 | Joined: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:15am



I happened to run across your forum. Sergei K Aalto was my father and he never spoke of his time as a UDT member. I have seen the USN photo and a Post magazine photo that identified him and noted with interest the operations he participated in that were mentioned by Ted Walther. How do I find out more about his service details? Thanks.

Posted By: K Aalto | Posted on: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:25am
Total Posts: 8 | Joined: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:15am



I happened to run across your forum. Sergei K Aalto was my father and he never spoke of his time as a UDT member. I have seen the USN photo and a Post magazine photo that identified him and noted with interest the operations he participated in that were mentioned by Ted Walther. How do I find out more about his service details? Thanks.

Posted By: K Aalto | Posted on: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:25am
Total Posts: 8 | Joined: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:15am



I happened to run across your forum. Sergei K Aalto was my father and he never spoke of his time as a UDT member. I have seen the USN photo and a Post magazine photo that identified him and noted with interest the operations he participated in that were mentioned by Ted Walther. How do I find out more about his service details? Thanks.

Posted By: K Aalto | Posted on: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:25am
Total Posts: 8 | Joined: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:15am



I happened to run across your forum. Sergei K Aalto was my father and he never spoke of his time as a UDT member. I have seen the USN photo and a Post magazine photo that identified him and noted with interest the operations he participated in that were mentioned by Ted Walther. How do I find out more about his service details? Thanks.

Posted By: K Aalto | Posted on: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:25am
Total Posts: 8 | Joined: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:15am



I happened to run across your forum. Sergei K Aalto was my father and he never spoke of his time as a UDT member. I have seen the USN photo and a Post magazine photo that identified him and noted with interest the operations he participated in that were mentioned by Ted Walther. How do I find out more about his service details? Thanks.

Posted By: K Aalto | Posted on: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:26am
Total Posts: 8 | Joined: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:15am



I happened to run across your forum. Sergei K Aalto was my father and he never spoke of his time as a UDT member. I have seen the USN photo and a Post magazine photo that identified him and noted with interest the operations he participated in that were mentioned by Ted Walther. How do I find out more about his service details? Thanks.

Posted By: K Aalto | Posted on: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:26am
Total Posts: 8 | Joined: Oct 3, 2017 - 12:15am



Welcome aboard Kristen!!!!

I must say, the Edward Steichen;s photo of your father was one that inspired several generations of young men to join the Underwater Demolition Teams and later the SEAL Teams.
Sergei K Aalto was a Painter 2/C, who was originally a Seabee based at either Camp Peary(Williamsburg Va) or Camp Bradford(Now Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek-Fort Storey, Virginia Beach, Va). When they asked for volunteers, he rogered up and went to NCDU/UDT training. He was a plankowner of Underwater Demolition Team 4, and as far as I know, he stayed with UDT 4 for the entire war.

I researched his background several years ago, but after he left the Navy, all the info the UDT/SEAL Museum had on him was that he moved to Mexico sometime in the late 60's or early 70's, and they lost touch with him.

For info on what your Dad did with UDT 4: http://www.viewoftherockies.com/UDT4.html


Check these websites for photos
http://navysealmuseum.pastperfectonline.com/bysearchterm?keyword=UDT+4&page=3

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=653499
Also google SWEDE UDT 4 and several photos will come up of him and his UDT 4 Buddies.

I also suggest you contact:
Ruth McSween
Curator
Navy SEAL Museum
3300 N. HWY A1A
Fort Pierce, FL 34949
(772) 595-5845 Ext. 202
www.NavySEALmuseum.org

Take care,
TED





Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Oct 3, 2017 - 10:38am
Total Posts: 2751 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am



Ted,
According to a memoir that my brother sent to me, Sergei K Aalto started at Camp Perry and the last 13 months of his service were spent in Hawaii with an assignment to the staff of the Training and Experimental Base teaching the handling of explosives, then was sent to instructor training school connected with the Red Cross where he received training that qualified him to train new instructors in water safety - senior life guard, underwater swimming, surf swimming, combat swimming, and beginner swimming. I saw a picture that identified a man as Swede and it was not my father. Since he was very proud of his Finnish heritage, it struck me odd that he would go by Swede; but then I could be wrong.
K Aalto



Posted By: K Aalto | Posted on: Oct 11, 2017 - 8:07pm
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