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1/35 scale foot rail
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I can not find any 1/35 scale PT foot rails. I found 1/72 scale. I don't want to have to scratch build the foot rails if I can avoid it. Anyone found any or perhaps an easy way to scratch build them. If they are to be done correctly, there would be multiple angles, thickness and spacing involved.
Posted By: Capt Speirs | Posted on: Apr 3, 2016 - 3:52pm
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CS,
There are no available aftermarket footrails that I know of.
The kit items clean up O.K. You just need to build the 20mm or so that is missing. [:-happy2-:]
Best Regards,
Stu.
Posted By: Stuart Hurley | Posted on: Apr 4, 2016 - 2:36am
Total Posts: 255 | Joined: Mar 19, 2013 - 3:32am
Thanks Stu, after looking at the measurements from David, I think I am going to scratch build them. Italeri's Foot Rail is way out of spec in spacing and height.
Stu, where did you get your info on the PT 195 Armament? On NavSource, they list the 195 with One 40mm, two torpedoes, three twin .50 cal. and one 20mm mount. Your rendition shows One 40mm, two 20mm, one 37mm, one quad .50 cal and four torpedos.
Posted By: Capt Speirs | Posted on: Apr 4, 2016 - 3:25pm
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Capt,
There are quite a few photos of 195 showing the armament and how it evolved. Like on most of the boats, they kept adding more firepower.
There is a section of footrail missing in the kit to accomodate the depth charge. If you add in that it's not too bad. It's not way out. I agree that it locates in the wrong place but you can move it if you cut off the pins.There are little dimensional errors that stack up all along the deck building up towards the rear which result in the decklights being in the wrong place and the cabins a bit too far back. The footrail is the least of the problems. The worst part is the daycabin. Move one thing and it affects another.
Which boat are you building?
Best Regards,
Stu.
Posted By: Stuart Hurley | Posted on: Apr 4, 2016 - 5:36pm
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I am doing the 109 the same way you did yours. I am thinking of either doing the 195 because I like the quad .50, it brings back memories from my youth when I built an M16 half track or with building a fictitious PT, something on the lines of a what if the 109 didn't sink.
I have one foot rail almost done, just need to sand and contour the underside.
I would post pics, just can't figure out how.
Posted By: Capt Speirs | Posted on: Apr 4, 2016 - 7:28pm
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After deciding that the Italeri Foot Rails are just wrong (too tall and thick, spacing all wrong) I made my own. It was remarkably very easy to do. Here are some photos of the process I used.
I used Evergreen .040" x .040"
Posted By: Capt Speirs | Posted on: Apr 9, 2016 - 9:20pm
Total Posts: 41 | Joined: Feb 21, 2016 - 6:56pm
Oh, no!
I think Santa is comming too late!
Here are the 1/35 Foot Rails from Jeff Davidson dimensions:
url]http://shpws.me/M8Gl[/url]
Posted By: HOLDEN8702 | Posted on: May 2, 2016 - 11:26am
Total Posts: 47 | Joined: Apr 13, 2016 - 1:36am
Try now:
[url]http://shpws.me/M8Gl[/url]
Posted By: HOLDEN8702 | Posted on: May 2, 2016 - 11:28am
Total Posts: 47 | Joined: Apr 13, 2016 - 1:36am
Great stuff Luis,you are making it so much easier for the model builders that want to build the PT BOATS. Thanks so much for all you do in making these wanted parts.
Posted By: Frank Andruss | Posted on: May 2, 2016 - 1:00pm
Total Posts: 3964 | Joined: Feb 9, 2007 - 11:41am
Even though I already scratched built my foot rails I'm going to get these from Luis.
Posted By: Capt Speirs | Posted on: May 2, 2016 - 4:13pm
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I bought some of these toe rails as well to see how they were. They were pretty cheap so why not. I've been having a conversation with Luis that the white flexible plastic is of such poor quality that it's unusable. This material is such that you can't really sand it to fix the problem. Luis gave me some suggestions on working with Shapeways and I'm going to try it but I don't expect a positive outcome. Luis is also adding a note about the material to his site. A printed version would be nice but as mentioned already they are easy to scratch build. I'll post an update later on how this comes out.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 12, 2016 - 6:01am
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Someone needs to make the SCR-517A ''Beehive" radar dome and it's support legs, in all the various scales.
I've only seen this item modeled (scratch-built) on a couple of models over the years
It would seem to me that the subtle cloth cover texture and the ribs underneath of the SCR-517A's dome could be well-rendered with the CAD design & manufacturing process.
Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Jul 12, 2016 - 11:12am
Total Posts: 1306 | Joined: Oct 19, 2006 - 10:44am
Yeah, Drew....I agree.
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Jul 12, 2016 - 12:03pm
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Someone needs to make a 77 foot Elco.
Posted By: Frank Andruss | Posted on: Jul 12, 2016 - 2:33pm
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All I can say is that you need to reach out to the people who make these things and convince them that it's a good, viable, project.
Beehive radar is a good candidate for 3D printing. Best guys out there are our own Jeff Davidson, Luis (aka HOLDEN8702ND), and Model Monkey on Shapeways. There's also some 3D designers outside Shapeways who will make them for you. Provide them with some good plans and pictures and open up your wallets. They'll design and build them for you.
As far as the 77' Elco and for that matter the Higgins boat go, the two most likely candidates are Italeri and Merit. I know I've written them both and expressed interest and support but it's going to take a big effort to get that done. Reach out to those companies and let them know what you would like. They do listen.
These last few years have delivered more Coastal Forces subjects than we've ever seen. I think there's a good possibility we could see these kits.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 12, 2016 - 7:39pm
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Hi.
I could work on it, this would be a good asset to my varied range of PT Radar Mast available in shapeways.
But I only have three pictures of this SCR-517A ''Beehive" Radar, and these aren't the best to start a serious project.
Please make an small search and contact me.
Thanks and best regards
Luis
Posted By: HOLDEN8702 | Posted on: Jul 12, 2016 - 11:05pm
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Luis . . . .
This might be a little help (visually). Please check out the post below - Alex Johnson had hand craft the radar and Frank posted some up close photos of the modeled SCR-157A radar of PT 155.
[url]http://www.ptboatforum.com/cgi-bin/MB2/netboardr.cgi?fid=102&cid=101&tid=1673&pg=63&sc=20&x=0[/url]
Dick . . .
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Jul 13, 2016 - 5:53am
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Luis;
As can be seen in these photos Dick has provided, the SC-517 RADAR mounting utilizes the original non radar mast. When installed the entire non radar mast was present. Some crews, like 155, cut the mast at the first cross member, later on out in the warzone. Nice Shapeways project, I look forward to seeing the finished result.
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jul 13, 2016 - 10:06am
Total Posts: 3059 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am
As I mentioned in one of the posts on the older thread Dick provided a link to, the only good top view of the SCR-517A's radar dome I've ever seen is a photograph of PT 143's, on page 21 of Victor Chun's "American PT Boats In World War II."
Unfortunately, I don't have the capability to scan or post the photo at this time, but hopefully someone on the Forum will be able to do so.
There are several good front and side photos of the SCR-517A around, but the one in Victor's first book is the only overhead top-view of the unit I've seen, which I would think would be essential for a complete CAD rendering.
Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Jul 13, 2016 - 2:06pm
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Drew;
Here you go.
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Ted%20Walther/PT%2068%20and%20PT%20143%20on%20SS%20Stavac%20Capetown.png[/image]
PT 68 and PT 143 on S.S. Stanvac Capetown.
Take care,
TED
P.S. BTW, the photo credit in Victor's book is Bill Quinby, he was Skipper of PT 68, when the photo was taken.
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Ted%20Walther/SS%20Stanvac%20Capetown.jpg[/image]
Smaller photo, but here is S.S.Stanvac Capetown with six RON 8 boats onboard, including PT 68 and PT 143, foreword), enroute to Brisbane, DEC 1942.
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jul 13, 2016 - 5:49pm
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I want to post this mostly to share with Luis. I painted it gray primer just so you could see the quality of the print. I'm sending this to Shapeways tonight so they can see how poor their print is. This has nothing to do with Luis' drawing. It's all in the printing at Shapeways.
As I mentioned, sanding is hopeless. I tried on one of them and there was no improvement. This stuff is very strong but even if you get past the roughness, by the time you smoothed it out (if you can) there would be nothing left of it because it is so porous.
So don't buy any of these until we get some feedback from Shapeways. Let's see what they can do with it. Wish me luck. :-)
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 13, 2016 - 9:02pm
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Hi Dave:
Yes, not the best part that shapeways ever printed.
Sure they are using worse machines for big models. That's a shame.
Anyway, If I had to work "againts" this model, I will try with alternating light sanding+varnishing layers. This material is porous as wood.
As I said, can't be done in polishing material due to overall size, and frosted ultra detail material (hard and brittle) is unable to allow adapt it to the deck curved surface.
So sorry, best regards
Luis
Posted By: HOLDEN8702 | Posted on: Jul 14, 2016 - 8:36am
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Hi Luis,
Thanks for being so supportive. You've been great to work with and Shapeways has been as well. We're very lucky to have you, Jeff, Patrick, and Steve supporting the models we're working on.
In the case of these foot/toe rails your model was a good and well thought out effort but I don't think this is a good option. I think a better solution is either scratch building as Capt Spears did or perhaps laser cutting hardwood.
Again, I appreciate all of the PT Boat parts you're putting out for us in FUD and FED materials and I hope you continue to support us. But as we discussed I would recommend pulling this particular part until a better 3D printing option comes along.
Take care
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jul 14, 2016 - 8:38pm
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Yeah, I had the same result with the ones I ordered also. I decided to use my scratch built rails instead. I am not going to complain to Shapeways about this and as you said this is on Shapeways not Luis.
I want to post this mostly to share with Luis. I painted it gray primer just so you could see the quality of the print. I'm sending this to Shapeways tonight so they can see how poor their print is. This has nothing to do with Luis' drawing. It's all in the printing at Shapeways.
As I mentioned, sanding is hopeless. I tried on one of them and there was no improvement. This stuff is very strong but even if you get past the roughness, by the time you smoothed it out (if you can) there would be nothing left of it because it is so porous.
So don't buy any of these until we get some feedback from Shapeways. Let's see what they can do with it. Wish me luck. :-)
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: Capt Speirs | Posted on: Jul 15, 2016 - 9:32pm
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Hi.
Beehive Dome Radar and Frame available now, you know where to find them.
Posted By: HOLDEN8702 | Posted on: Jul 19, 2016 - 2:59am
Total Posts: 47 | Joined: Apr 13, 2016 - 1:36am
These foot rails and other 3D printed PT products are available from Shapeways:
https://www.shapeways.com/search?q=PT+Boat&type=
I could drop a bundle at this site!
Steve
SteveS156
Posted By: SteveS156 | Posted on: Jul 19, 2016 - 5:50am
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Wow! Good job, Luis. One 1/72nd scale SCR-517A setup ordered.
I'd love to see some of our master modelers put one of these babies on one (or more) of the bigger scale 80' Elco models.
Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Jul 20, 2016 - 12:30pm
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Thanks, Drew!
I hope you like it.
I've put many hours on it. It's difficult to find all details from only a few of pictures, but I think the resulting model will work.
Best regards
Luis
Posted By: HOLDEN8702 | Posted on: Jul 20, 2016 - 1:13pm
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Luis
Could you please contact me.
I would like to discuss a project with you off line based on one of your current offerings
Thanks
Jerry Beasley
Posted By: Jerry Beasley | Posted on: Jul 20, 2016 - 1:24pm
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