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3D Printed Elco 77
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As mentioned below, I'm working on a new 77, a late model in 1:24 scale. The hull will use laser cut wood frames and wood planking, pretty typical... but the cabin and many details will be 3D prints. Doing the cabin in 3DP allows for a precision fit to my deck, inclusion of lots of details, and all mounting points defined... much like a good injected molded kit part.
Now, while this model is 1:24, I can see redeveloping it for 1:35 for anyone needing to fill out their 1:35 torpedo boat collection. Hmmm... could even make use of some existing Italeri fittings... But the cost difference? Not unlike the difference between injected molded models and low volume cast resin model ships... but also, not unaffordable...
Hope to have some pics of actual parts within the month, will post.
[image] http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/731b.jpg?w=600 [/image]
[image] http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/731c.jpg?w=600 [/image]
[image] http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/731e.jpg?w=600 [/image]
[image] http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/731f.jpg?w=600 [/image]
Laser cut frames are precisely located on a laser cut build board; the mounting tabs get cut off after the hull is planked.
[image]http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/731g1.jpg?w=600[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
http://matthewsmodelmarine.wordpress.com/
Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 10, 2014 - 7:35am
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But wait! you say, thinking all the 3DP parts you've seen off of cheap table top printers look like garbage, or at least no better than wicker chairs for a Barbie doll..."How can you make a decent model with 3D Printing?"
Well, I use high end industrial printers that have more zeroes in their price tags than you or I could ever consider. It really doesn't pay to have your own printer- affordable units ARE junk, and they go obsolete quickly. Better to send your CAD model to someone who has the good stuff.
Anyway, here are two models I built with such techniques; both are about 26 inches long. Both are almost entirely 3D printed- with the exception of things like halyards and flags. I've even used the process to make waxes for investment casting of brass parts, like the nickel plated vents and the fire monitors on the seaplane tender.
Pan American seaplane tender, 1:16 scale
[image] http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/panair_04.jpg?w=800[/image]
Canadian Coast Guard MSPV, 1:72 scale
[image]http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/robertson_02.jpg?w=800[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 10, 2014 - 7:45am
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Very impressive Patrick, I can see something like this taking off for those model builders on this site. I know if I were a model builder I would be very excited to see this type of build. Sorry, I don't build them, I just display them in the Exhibit...........
Posted By: Frank Andruss | Posted on: Aug 10, 2014 - 9:48am
Total Posts: 3964 | Joined: Feb 9, 2007 - 11:41am
Very very nice Pat, I'm really looking forward to seeing your Elco 77'.
The finished models are gorgeous. And that Canadian police boat is downright sexy.
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Aug 10, 2014 - 10:14am
Total Posts: 2200 | Joined: Dec 21, 2006 - 1:30am
Pretty neat, Pat. I think the folks at Italeri should really take a gander at your work...
And...maybe you could CAD a PT 59/60/61 "Gunboat" in your spare time?
Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Aug 10, 2014 - 5:32pm
Total Posts: 1306 | Joined: Oct 19, 2006 - 10:44am
Same Christmas tree, just different ornaments...
Posted By: Pat Matthews | Posted on: Aug 10, 2014 - 5:50pm
Total Posts: 89 | Joined: Jan 7, 2012 - 5:41pm
I just returned from the International Plastic Modelers Society (IPMS) show in Hampton, VA. There were several companies there selling 3D printing. One was selling 1/350 and 1/700 printed models. Another was printing high resolution from people's drawings or if you showed them what you wanted printed they would do the work. This is definitely the future of modeling. Oops.. it's here now! :-)
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Aug 10, 2014 - 9:02pm
Total Posts: 1679 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm
Have to make a hull so as to have something to attach that fancy cabin to. Think I'll go cut some frames out...
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140811_185031.jpg?w=800[/image]
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140811_210209.jpg?w=800[/image]
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140811_210209a.jpg[/image]
Posted By: Pat Matthews | Posted on: Aug 11, 2014 - 6:10pm
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Where can I place my order? Keel and bulkheads look outstanding, very nice quality.
Larry
62 Bel-Air
260 Eagle EXP
79 Cole TR-2
Posted By: bubbletop409 | Posted on: Aug 11, 2014 - 10:33pm
Total Posts: 164 | Joined: Apr 22, 2013 - 11:48pm
I understand the hull is plank on frame. But you can cast the deck cabins, gun tubs,, etc? That would be awesome.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Aug 12, 2014 - 4:45am
Total Posts: 1679 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm
Availability? Patience, Grasshopper!
No really, it’ll take a few months to trial everything and work out any bugs.
Castings? Possible but not too likely… 3D prints? For sure!
If I do a 1:35 version, many of the armaments can be borrowed from the Italeri PT-109 and/or their “upgrade kit”, or other aftermarket parts…
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
http://matthewsmodelmarine.wordpress.com/
Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 12, 2014 - 5:39am
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Because of the availability of after market parts in 1:35 scale plus figures, it would be really awesome if you could do one in this scale. In any event I can see this as a really nice build for someone.
Posted By: Frank Andruss | Posted on: Aug 12, 2014 - 6:52am
Total Posts: 3964 | Joined: Feb 9, 2007 - 11:41am
Pat;
That is awesome! I know as this technology develops, it will only be a matter of time, before the 3d printer will be upgraded to the point of making scale figures too. Who knows, maybe we will be able to scan a photo of PT crewmembers, the printer takes all measurements off the images, and then prints out individual crewmembers in what ever scale that is input-ed.
AWESOME!!
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 12, 2014 - 9:28am
Total Posts: 3059 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am
You can't do it from a single photo (yet that I know of), but you can scan 1:1 scale (live) people or small figurines, and even put YOUR head on a figure.
See Dave Hampton's head on this PBR gunner...
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2082159#post27290967[/url]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 12, 2014 - 10:22am
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Pat;
WOW! Now that is really cool.
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 12, 2014 - 5:40pm
Total Posts: 3059 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am
this is brilliant! I'm interested in the 1/35 scale boat, in principle. I may scratch-build one in 1/72 first but the kit looks like it's going to be gorgeous.
Posted By: zeusbheld | Posted on: Aug 12, 2014 - 10:24pm
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And the framing begins...
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140816_090829a.jpg[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 16, 2014 - 8:20am
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I just have to get one of these wonderful boats for my Exhibit..... http://mosquito-fleet.gdinc.com/
Posted By: Frank Andruss | Posted on: Aug 16, 2014 - 9:08am
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Pat;
It looks great so far!
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 16, 2014 - 1:12pm
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Added the stringers and first layer of planking... a good day's work.
[image]http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140816_190132.jpg?w=800[/image]
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Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 17, 2014 - 5:53pm
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Nice work!
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 17, 2014 - 7:47pm
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I can't believe how fast it comes along, wonderful work...........
Posted By: Frank Andruss | Posted on: Aug 17, 2014 - 9:41pm
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Thanks!
But don't confuse "fast" (which I'm not) with "spent a whole lot of time in design to make this part easier, then spent every daylight hour (and a few in the night) over the past weekend putting the bits together".
Some people might prefer to "have a life"! ;-)
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
http://matthewsmodelmarine.wordpress.com/
Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 18, 2014 - 12:45pm
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Beautiful Work Patrick!
Is the framing out of 1/8" Baltic Ply? Really like your frame jig to help keep the hull true. I've had a tough time with 1/8" ply due to the warping of the material, but it looks like you've licked that issue.
Thanks for keeping us posted.
Cheers,
Andy Small
www.traintroll.com
Posted By: Andy Small | Posted on: Aug 18, 2014 - 1:56pm
Total Posts: 262 | Joined: Nov 20, 2013 - 9:04pm
I think you modelers are truly remarkable. Don't you have wives and childrren and a job to take care of?
Posted By: Pat Rogers | Posted on: Aug 18, 2014 - 11:17pm
Total Posts: 72 | Joined: Oct 10, 2006 - 3:21am
Andy-
Yes, 1/8” hobby plywood, and no need for the super expensive 5 ply stuff. When working with plywood, my counsel is:
>> Never count on plywood’s flatness, and in fact, count on it to be warped.
>> Instead, use the thinnest plywood you can, and shape it with strongbacks, or in this case, tabbed fixturing.
If/when I create a 1:35 scale version, I’ll use 1/16” ply…
BTW, I keep a more complete build log at the RC Groups forum:
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2217225[/url]
Pat-
Wife, yes, but she appreciates that this keeps me off the streets (but not always out of bars, these builds can drive you to drink!). Child has long since moved out, and job? Oh, I take care of that in my spare time…
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 19, 2014 - 6:43am
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Pat;
I was reading through the posts you have on R/C forum, while LT Henry Robert Montgomery RON 2 and RON 5, might have gone for a ride on PT 48 at sometime during her service life, He was never Skipper of this boat. If you would like I can e-mail you a list I have compiled of her Skippers and Execs from 9/15/41 until she was shipped back in Aug 1944.
Keep up the good work!
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 20, 2014 - 6:44am
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Thanks, and yes I meant to fix that! I conflated him with (iirc) Alan R. Montgomery...
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 20, 2014 - 7:19am
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Pat:
LCDR Alan "Monty" Montgomery was Squadron Commander of RON 4, RON 2 and RON 3(2), and later Miami Shakedown. While he was not Skipper of a boat at the time of RON 3(2)'s deployment, His usual boat was PT 60, commanded by Jack Searles. until it was damaged that first night, then he rode other boats, until relieved by his squadron XO Hugh "Robbie" Robinson. In the first combat action at Tulagi (Oct 14, 1942), he rode 60, and was accompanied by PT 38, PT 46, PT 48.
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 20, 2014 - 9:55am
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I'm no stranger to 3D printing, but it's always a thrill to get some new parts in the mail.
Just received my 1:24 scale Mk 18 torpedo tube parts today. The body of the tube will be machined from plastic pipe, but these bits will provide all the detail.
Breech door and tube supports:
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140823_122134.jpg?w=700[/image]
Breech door toggle bolts with wing nuts:
[image]http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140823_121716.jpg?w=700[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 23, 2014 - 10:01am
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Hi Pat,
Wow, Excellent! These parts would be perfect for my 1/24th scale rebuilds of PT's 34 and 157. How do I sign up to purchase these excellent pieces.
Wayne Traxel
Posted By: Wayne Traxel | Posted on: Aug 23, 2014 - 11:32am
Total Posts: 248 | Joined: Oct 11, 2006 - 5:40am
Thanks Wayne... I hesitate to offer them in 1:24, as parts for 2 tubes and 8 DCs cost me as much as an Italeri PT kit...and I haven't even machined the tubes themselves yet...
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
http://matthewsmodelmarine.wordpress.com/
Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 23, 2014 - 11:44am
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You're welcome Pat.
Suspected there would be a price for these parts, all new developments cost. But for someone like myself that builds in 1/24th scale, quality parts like yours at this scale is rare find. Am still interested in 8 sets of the parts you have posted for my two boats and I'd make my own tubes. Click on the envelope icon if you care not to discuss this further on the board.
Respectfully,
Wayne Traxel
Posted By: Wayne Traxel | Posted on: Aug 23, 2014 - 7:36pm
Total Posts: 248 | Joined: Oct 11, 2006 - 5:40am
No problem, I'll chase you down tomorrow.
Latest hull updates at RC Groups:
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2217225&page=3#post29256557[/url]
Deck is on!
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 23, 2014 - 7:40pm
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Working on the torpedo tubes today:
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2217225&page=3#post29262037[/url]
A slightly different way of putting them together, shown in more detail at the link.
[image]http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140824_170558.jpg?w=756[/image]
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140824_170710.jpg?w=756[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 24, 2014 - 2:24pm
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And here we have the 3D printed cabin... just like an injection molded kit part, it has all the mounting details included. It's about 18 long in 1:24 scale, and also costs like an Italeri PT kit all by itself... but it's worth it to me, to avoid building all that detail by hand, and not so accurately!
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140827_110447a.jpg?w=900[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
http://matthewsmodelmarine.wordpress.com/
Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 8:48am
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Beautiful, just beautiful! Please indulge an old fossil and tell me more about 3D printing, or lead me to a source. What material is that day cabin and bridge made of?
SteveS156
Posted By: SteveS156 | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 9:14am
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Thanks!
This material is an acrylic... more brittle than the styrene used in model kits, but quite workable.
In a nut shell:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3d_printing[/url]
In a smaller nut shell: A laser plays across the surface of liquid UV-curable photopolymer, solidifying a part from liquid, layer by layer.
To make parts, you must first design them in 3D CAD… that’s just a prerequisite, unless you can afford to pay a CAD designer!
Or in some cases, you can just buy parts that someone has made available through this process. Can be pricey, but sometimes it’s the only way without investing in injection molding tools.
You can see more of the boat parts we’ve playing with at RC Groups (the thread is only 32 pages long):
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1088812&page=32[/url]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 9:33am
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PAT;
That cabin is beautiful!!! I can't wait for your next installment!
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 12:04pm
Total Posts: 3059 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am
A couple more images to put it in perspective. And don't you know, the work is just beginning!
Since the deck shape and cabin were designed together, the cabin is a tight match to the deck's sheer and camber.
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140827_145616.jpg?w=800[/image]
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140827_145653.jpg?w=800[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 12:06pm
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Hi Patrick, can your 3D printed parts be easily rescaled on your equipment to print in say 1/35 or even 1/48 or 1/72? Same for the wood frames?
Mike
Posted By: Michael Vorrasi | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 12:41pm
Total Posts: 72 | Joined: Jul 1, 2013 - 11:46am
Not "easily", but it's on my to-do list.
The practical issue is that many features aren't "push button scalable". The 1/8" stringer notches in the frames won't be right if scaled from 1:24 to 1:35... the 3D printed walls that are at printer minimum in 1:24 will be too thin at 1:35... etc.
It's all fixable, just takes time...
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 12:48pm
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Pat,
Your beautiful acrylic cabin has my mouth watering over the possibilities of a Italeri 1/35th scale version of this boat -- with extra parts for a gunboat...
Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 4:23pm
Total Posts: 1306 | Joined: Oct 19, 2006 - 10:44am
Hmm, does it have to be Italeri?
Here's a close-up of the breech door, with toggle bolts:
[image]http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140827_170305.jpg?w=800[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
http://matthewsmodelmarine.wordpress.com/
Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 4:34pm
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Pat;
WOW look at those wing nuts!!! (No pun intended), This is simply astonishing. I wish we could all have a 3D printer!!!!
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 4:45pm
Total Posts: 3059 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am
Just got back from the woods and caught up on this thread. Amazing work! I would also be interested in 1/35 scale. I suspect there's a good market for both.
Ted, the 3D printing costs are diving and the quality just keeps getting better. As I mentioned there were some folks at the IPMS competition vendor room that were selling their rendering services and access to high res 3D printing. If you have an idea and can render it in a CAD program you can have somebody print it for you.
Thanks for sharing your work. I'm excited to see how it progresses!
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Aug 27, 2014 - 8:31pm
Total Posts: 1679 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm
Boy the thought of being able to obtain a 1:35 77 Footer is mind blowing. The work is outstanding............................
Posted By: Frank Andruss | Posted on: Aug 28, 2014 - 4:57am
Total Posts: 3964 | Joined: Feb 9, 2007 - 11:41am
Pat,
No, it doesn't have to be Italeri...but...who else would do a commercial, mass-produced, boxed, styrene plastic 1/35th scale version of it?
Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Aug 28, 2014 - 9:57am
Total Posts: 1306 | Joined: Oct 19, 2006 - 10:44am
Whoa! Your 59-68 series cabin is superbly detailed. How much does this cabin weigh?
Wayne Traxel
Posted By: Wayne Traxel | Posted on: Aug 29, 2014 - 12:58pm
Total Posts: 248 | Joined: Oct 11, 2006 - 5:40am
Not much Wayne- about 7 ounces. But it's not as strong as your fiberglass pieces!
It does have all the detail molded, er, printed in... mounting holes, internal lips for window glazing, scribed panel lines, etc etc.
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/20140829_163844.jpg?w=900[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 29, 2014 - 1:51pm
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Cabin weight of 7 oz. is excellent. Form and detail is outstanding.
Wayne Traxel
Posted By: Wayne Traxel | Posted on: Aug 30, 2014 - 12:25pm
Total Posts: 248 | Joined: Oct 11, 2006 - 5:40am
As mentioned below, I'm working on a new 77, a late model in 1:24 scale. The hull will use laser cut wood frames and wood planking, pretty typical... but the cabin and many details will be 3D prints. Doing the cabin in 3DP allows for a precision fit to my deck, inclusion of lots of details, and all mounting points defined... much like a good injected molded kit part.
Now, while this model is 1:24, I can see redeveloping it for 1:35 for anyone needing to fill out their 1:35 torpedo boat collection. Hmmm... could even make use of some existing Italeri fittings... But the cost difference? Not unlike the difference between injected molded models and low volume cast resin model ships... but also, not unaffordable...
Hope to have some pics of actual parts within the month, will post.
[image] http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/731b.jpg?w=600 [/image]
[image] http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/731c.jpg?w=600 [/image]
[image] http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/731e.jpg?w=600 [/image]
[image] http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/731f.jpg?w=600 [/image]
Laser cut frames are precisely located on a laser cut build board; the mounting tabs get cut off after the hull is planked.
[image]http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/731g1.jpg?w=600[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
http://matthewsmodelmarine.wordpress.com/
Hey Pat,
I think you may have hit on something. Offering a 77' Elco kit to supplement the Italeri 1/35 PT-109 offering might be the ticket. That kit already has many of the parts. the builder would need the hull and cabins but many of the Italeri parts could fit right in such as turrets, torpedo tubes, etc. Anyway, just a thought.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Aug 31, 2014 - 5:28pm
Total Posts: 1679 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm
Hmm, how about a machine carved solid wood hull for the static models? I can do that too...
p.s., smoke at:
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2217225&page=4#post29321046[/url]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
http://matthewsmodelmarine.wordpress.com/
Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Aug 31, 2014 - 6:07pm
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Machine hull for static model is a good idea!
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Aug 31, 2014 - 6:51pm
Total Posts: 1679 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm
I finally finished all the CAD work for the rest of the details parts and got those on order... now I'll spend some time on the model's display cradle.
And in my opinion, there's only one choice- you HAVE to have the Elco A-frame cradle, same as what the boats were shipped out on!
I built one before in 1:20 from Plastruct shapes, but this one is using wood for the main structure... stiffer than plastic, and easier to get sound glue joints.
A work in process... still need to build the actual supports...
[image]http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/20140914_100006.jpg?w=800[/image]
[image]http://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/20140914_100027.jpg?w=800[/image]
And a bunch of detail parts, hope to get everything by October 1...
[image]https://matthewsmodelmarine.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/a7079205-202-stuff1.jpg?w=800[/image]
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
http://matthewsmodelmarine.wordpress.com/
Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Sep 14, 2014 - 11:36am
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Pat;
As usual...outstanding work!
I look forward to the rest.
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Sep 14, 2014 - 1:59pm
Total Posts: 3059 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am
Pat . . .
What 3D / CAD program are you using? You're quite proficient at it, top notch work!
Dick . . . .
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Sep 14, 2014 - 2:13pm
Total Posts: 1417 | Joined: Aug 27, 2006 - 6:36pm
Thanks Dick, and CATIA.
Just received a major batch of 3DP parts, more expected tomorrow... see this batch at
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2217225&page=5#post29590791[/url]
Includes much of the 50 cal and 20mm Oerlikon parts.
Patrick Matthews
Matthews Model Marine
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Oct 2, 2014 - 6:11pm
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Finished the depth charges and racks, all loosely arranged on deck here. Center caps will be painted and installed later, same for the retaining cables.
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Oct 11, 2014 - 3:47pm
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Another view- most everything (but the boat!) to make a PT model...
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Oct 12, 2014 - 12:32pm
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Pat;
Stunning! How much?
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Oct 12, 2014 - 12:41pm
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Makes my mouth water, just a Beautiful job recreating all of these parts, I want to grab them all...........
Posted By: Frank Andruss | Posted on: Oct 12, 2014 - 4:02pm
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Beautiful Work! Congrats!
Andy
Posted By: Andy Small | Posted on: Oct 12, 2014 - 6:59pm
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Pat . . . .
Just outstanding, specially when you consider what little time you've been working on this project. Have you entertained the idea of contacting Italeri and see if they are interested in buying your digital file of the late Elco 77'. If so they could have a model ready to go to manufacturing in very little time, and maybe make a nice return on your beautiful work..
I'm not a CAD or 3D person yet, everything is still drawn by hand traced in Adobe Illustrator such as this 1970 project for Lockheed:
I'm trying to learn SolidWorks, a cousin to your CATIA. I'm not too sure how close the two are. For years now I've open up Step files in Solidworks than created the "Drawing" portion, place the model as isometric "Line Art" then export/save the Iso as a Adobe Illustrator file where I would then trace the art as an .EPS. The about C-5A however was drawn way before 3D Modeling was available, not even the old wireframe model.
Again, fabulous work!!!!
Dick . . . .
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Oct 13, 2014 - 12:56pm
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Guns assembled and painted. Again, all 3D printed in 1:24 scale.
I'm painting this late 77 in 5D dark gray... sure is hard to photograph!
Anyone have a source for 1:24 photoetched gunsights?
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Oct 27, 2014 - 11:14am
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Pat;
FYI only PT 59-68 had this turret shielding/depression stop.
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Oct 27, 2014 - 2:50pm
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Yup, roger that. And two tubes and eight DC's.
Now the question is, WHICH boat shall I mark it as? Model is "as deployed", in 5D dark gray, no field mods...
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Oct 27, 2014 - 3:13pm
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And a couple more, of the cradle/display stand:
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Oct 27, 2014 - 3:28pm
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Latest update pics at:
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2217225&page=10#post29962595[/url]
Almost everything on the hull is done; waiting on some fresh handrail parts so I can finish the cabin work.
Still haven't picked a number (Pick a number! Any number! From 59 to 68!)
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Nov 16, 2014 - 6:07pm
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Pat;
How about these two suggestions:
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Ted%20Walther/LCDRJohnBulkeleyonPT64Melville19422.jpg[/image]
PT64 RON 4 LCDR John Bulkeley at the wheel Melville1942.(PT 64 had shielding on the 20mm mount)
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PT67 RON4 Melville 1942, look very closely, LT Robert B. Kelly is at the wheel.
Or you could go with PT 62, Jack Duncan's boat. However, at Melville PT 62 can easily be identified in photos as she had different depression shielding on the .50 cal turrets, 62's was flat sided.
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Nov 16, 2014 - 9:18pm
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Hey Pat,
I hope this doesn't ruin your day, but the 50 cal cradles are missing the trigger assemblies. You could look at these photos and come up with a good scale model to add to the detail of yours I would be willing to bet! The green one is the copy made by Mr Avezzie in Mass and the grey one is the original he used to copy from that he borrowed from Don Shannon. I hope this is detailed of a view enough for you to fashion a scale copy from. Jerry
Authentic Copy made by Harland Avezzie
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Original trigger assembly from PT Museum in Fall River
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Jerry Gilmartin
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Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Nov 16, 2014 - 10:20pm
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She's really coming along Pat. Thanks for sharing. As a modeler I'm really enjoying this come together using the new technology. The future of model making materializing before our eyes.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Nov 17, 2014 - 5:25am
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Thanks all!
Jerry, every day is great, and nothing will spoil that! Yep, knew about the trigger mechanism, but didn't have enough info to design the model part... left discretion as the better part of valor on that one. May get around to it soon...
Ted, thanks for the suggestions, I'm still mulling it over...
Pat
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Nov 17, 2014 - 5:51am
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Sounds Good Pat,
Let me know if you need more detailed photos and i can send them.
Jerry
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Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Nov 17, 2014 - 6:31am
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Jerry could you please post a few from the Fall River one showing side, back and overhead if you have them,
Thanks.
D.buck
Posted By: David Buck | Posted on: Nov 19, 2014 - 3:54am
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Soon... just a few more details!
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Nov 25, 2014 - 7:18pm
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Wonderful model Patrick! I enjoyed watching it come together.
Dave
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Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Nov 25, 2014 - 8:07pm
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Wow!
Great job, Pat.
P.S.
There's what our dream Italeri 1/35th scale 77-footer would look like...and just imagine her in a weapons-and-radar-heavy-PT 59/60/61 gunboat configuration...
Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Nov 25, 2014 - 8:16pm
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Pat;
She is beautiful!!!! can you take a few photos of Cockpit area(overhead too) I would like to see what you did here, especially rear bulkhead as there is a small step in each corner, I have never seen a decent photo of these, so I never put them in.
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Nov 26, 2014 - 9:47am
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Thanks all.
Ted, 'll include those when I take the "beauty shots" soon... but take a look at this from Gene K, in his PTC section... you can see one of the steps. I've assumed similar for the 77's.
[url]http://pt-king.gdinc.com/images/ptc1.jpg[/url]
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Nov 26, 2014 - 12:51pm
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Fantastic model, Pat. I do have a question regarding placement of the torpedo tubes. They look like they are too far aft to allow a second tube behind them if the boat was set up in four tube configuration. Were the tubes relocated in a two-tube plus depth charges setup, perhaps for weight distribution, or is this an optical illusion in the photo's angle?
Mike
Posted By: Michael Vorrasi | Posted on: Nov 26, 2014 - 12:56pm
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Foreshortening in the photo. The mounting pads are laid out per the Elco drawings for a four-tube boat.
How's it look from another angle?
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Nov 26, 2014 - 1:43pm
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Pat;
Wow you really have a sharp eye, with all the damage to focus on in this photo you barely notice the step in the background. I have another photo of Ken Prescott in the cockpit of PT 61, it appears the photographer was kneeling or standing on the canopy and you can see the step behind him, but the photo is damaged so I wasn't too sure what it looked like.
Thanks.
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Nov 26, 2014 - 4:18pm
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You can also just see a couple horizontal pieces on the aft bulkhead... I never quite figured out what's going on there, nothing in the drawings...
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Nov 26, 2014 - 4:23pm
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Horizontal bits... grab rails? Partly visible in another PTC shot... wonder if these were on all the 77's?
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Nov 27, 2014 - 9:19am
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Pat:"Foreshortening in the photo. The mounting pads are laid out per the Elco drawings for a four-tube boat.
How's it look from another angle? "
That's the ticket!. I was wondering if maybe that other shot had wide angle distortion. Damn! That boat is gorgeous! I want one in 1/35, 1/48 or even 1/72!!!
Italeri, are you listening?
Mike
Posted By: Michael Vorrasi | Posted on: Nov 28, 2014 - 12:51pm
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Wonderful job Pat. With all your own parts, I am curious as to the weight of the entire boat. She must be pretty light weight..................
Posted By: Frank Andruss | Posted on: Nov 29, 2014 - 8:08am
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Don't have a scale for it, but it's just a few pounds.
Well, I'm basically done except for the crate, and maybe a couple more needed details.
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Posted By: Patrick Matthews | Posted on: Nov 29, 2014 - 12:59pm
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Pat,
Fantastic work, not only the model itself but also with the CAD skills.
Best Regards,
Stu.
Posted By: Stuart Hurley | Posted on: Nov 29, 2014 - 3:47pm
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Pat;
There you go!! Outstanding! She looks just like the Melville photos . Awesome!
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Nov 29, 2014 - 5:06pm
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Oh Wow! Your model became PT-61. Very nice, Excellent work First Rate.
Wayne Traxel
Posted By: Wayne Traxel | Posted on: Dec 1, 2014 - 8:20pm
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Beautiful model Pat. She really came out great! Thanks for sharing her with us.
Dave
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Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Dec 2, 2014 - 5:19am
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Great job, Pat.
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Dec 2, 2014 - 5:25am
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That is sheer sexiness Pat, well done. Are you actually going to take it on the water? I'd be skeered to...
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Dec 2, 2014 - 5:29pm
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This one is a display model only. Yep, some fragile stuff there!
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