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Italeri PT 109 Correction?
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In the PT Boats in Action #7, (page 23) It tells about the rear turret given a forward tilt in 1944. If this is true PT109 's rear truuet should be straight up and down. I got some photos of 105 and 107 that would indicate this is true, it's easy to see when alined with the rear dayroom window. All the plans I've seen just show the starboard side. I've looked all over the net to confirm this and havn't found any complaints. If this is true it would indicate Italleri got it wrong, Can anyone add to this?
Posted By: Bob Butler | Posted on: Mar 23, 2013 - 12:29pm
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Bob,
Here's a port side photo of PT-117 dead in the water. The rear turret appears to be 90 degrees to the water line. I haven't started my Italeri kit so I'm not quite sure how it lays out. The photos I've seen look okay. If it's not 90 degrees... then fix it. :-)
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David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Mar 23, 2013 - 4:27pm
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David, that's what I see too. I made the fix to my kit and it's an easy fix. The only thing more controversal than who shot JFK is what color is PT 109. I went with 5NG Navy Green which is FS34108, Model Master RLM82
Posted By: Bob Butler | Posted on: Mar 23, 2013 - 4:59pm
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I think that's a good color choice Bob. Share some photos when you get the opportunity.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Mar 23, 2013 - 5:14pm
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Well...$#@%!!! Good catch, Bob. I'm waaaaay too far into my build to do anything about it now on my PT-166. Even the drawings provided with the kit got it right, but the parts are from the 596 kit.
Let us know what you did to correct it, if you don't care.
Thanks,
Pat
Posted By: Pat Hutchens | Posted on: Mar 24, 2013 - 10:18am
Total Posts: 36 | Joined: Nov 24, 2012 - 6:03am
The parts are not from the 596 kit. Some of the drawings we supplied to them have the rear turret with an exaggerated forward slant. Not Italeri's fault.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Mar 24, 2013 - 10:50am
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You may be OK. Cut down the seam of the turret and the dayroom and remove the turret, do a 90 degree cut on the dayroom from the deak up, The angle you cut leaves the little box detail on the dayroom at the bottom, Fill the back flat spot on the bottom of the turret, (dry fit it and you will se how much fill you need) next to the engine room cover. Glue the turret back on the dayroom, this slides the turret forward , fill the gap at the bottom of the turret. A little more putty and paint and your done.
Posted By: Bob Butler | Posted on: Mar 24, 2013 - 11:09am
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Well...$#@%!!! Good catch, Bob. I'm waaaaay too far into my build to do anything about it now on my PT-166. Even the drawings provided with the kit got it right, but the parts are from the 596 kit.
Let us know what you did to correct it, if you don't care.
Thanks,
Pat
Posted By: Pat Hutchens | Posted on: Mar 24, 2013 - 11:47am
Total Posts: 36 | Joined: Nov 24, 2012 - 6:03am
Based on the ELCO drawing 3028, the first boat to have the forward slanted turrets was PT 372, which was placed in service August 3, 1943. The first two groups 103-196, 314-367, had the turrets perpendicular to the waterline.
Al Ross
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Mar 24, 2013 - 11:59am
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Hi,
I think the main problem is more the top edge angle and it tilts the rear ring too far forward in relation to the front turret. The other (if I am interpreting the drawings correctly) is that the forward and aft walls of the dayroom should be 90 degrees to the waterline and this makes the turret stagger look strange. I filed a sliver of about 1.5mm out of the top edge at the rear of the aft turret, not touching the front edge, and this brought the gun ring horizontal to the waterline and in the same plane as the front ring. Try putting a straight edge across them and you will see what I mean.The stagger on the turret barrel looks O.K. to me. If you look at Elco drawing 565-624 the dayroom rear (port side) edge where it meets the turret barrel is not at 90 degrees to the waterline so don't alter this feature. I think its the back wall, which should be parallel to the turret . I reckon when the spray screens are on, this hides the area enough as it only looks strange from the starboard side.
Hope this does not add to the confusion, but it probably will. I looked at this one for quite a while and I think just filing down the rim may be the best solution. I am thinking about correcting it fully though if there is confirmation ( from someone with more knowledge than me ) that this theory is correct.
Best Regards,
Stu.
Posted By: Stuart Hurley | Posted on: Mar 25, 2013 - 2:10am
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Thanks, Stuart. Filing the top rear of the turret should be doable, as everthing below that is already painted and glued down.
This is a fantastic forum for idea sharing on these kits...glad we didn't lose it!
Pat
Posted By: Pat Hutchens | Posted on: Mar 26, 2013 - 8:49am
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Pat,
You are welcome. Jeff has just confirmed that the dayroom front and rear walls should be at 90 degrees to the waterline as well and follow the turret barrel angle so the dayroom itself is too square.
Best Regards,
Stu
Best Regards,
Stu.
Measure twice, cut once.
Posted By: Stuart Hurley | Posted on: Mar 26, 2013 - 8:55am
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