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Topic: knights of the sea
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CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just lost on another!!!!!! If i knew it was going to be this hard, I would have just swiped the book I borrowed on library loan back in the 80"s!!!!!!!!
TED
P.S. I hope if your on this board, you enjoy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jan 23, 2013 - 6:43pm
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SH__ and that was #13 too!!!!\




Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jan 23, 2013 - 6:45pm
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That's all right, Teddy. When I punch out you can have mine. . .

Will

Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 10:59am
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I don't think he wants to wait another 60 years Will...........



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 11:17am
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Was it on ebay and how much did it go for?

C. J. Willis

Posted By: CJ Willis | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 12:24pm
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Well, I didn't say how long. . .



Will

Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 1:59pm
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C.J. I have seen them go for a bundle on EBAY, several have fetched over $275.00 or more. Not cheap for sure, I am glad I have mine, which was donated..........



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 3:31pm
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Frank: At that price I better take good care of these I have. I have two of the original hardbacks. One (#451) has my name and Squadron Nos. embossed on the front cover. The other one just plain cover. I got them back when they were originally published. I believe I paid a small charge for one and "Boats" sent me another one for some reason.

C. J. Willis

Posted By: CJ Willis | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 6:55pm
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Mine is #1923...



Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Jan 25, 2013 - 4:27am
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Mine is 1332. Has Dad's name and rank embossed on it. Still have original shipping box.
Gary



Posted By: Gary Paulsen | Posted on: Jan 25, 2013 - 5:26am
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Are you guys talking about the book KNIGHTS OF THE SEA? If so what page are those
numbers you guys talking about?
Victor

Victor K Chun

Posted By: victorkchun | Posted on: Jan 25, 2013 - 7:56am
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Victor
Can't say I saw it in the book. Mine is listed on the shipping label on the box the book was shipped in.
Gary



Posted By: Gary Paulsen | Posted on: Jan 25, 2013 - 8:40am
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Gary: On page 4 It lists "First printing 1982 Limited Edition of 2000 Copies of which this copy is _____. Hand written is my number 451.

C. J. Willis

Posted By: CJ Willis | Posted on: Jan 25, 2013 - 11:58am
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Victor I am sorry. It was you that asked the question not Gary. My son has my other book at his house I don't know what number it is, I never checked.

C. J. Willis

Posted By: CJ Willis | Posted on: Jan 25, 2013 - 12:04pm
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Never noticed the number before. #106.

Will

Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Jan 25, 2013 - 2:08pm
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i am trying to get my brother in england to get me a copy og kots.what should i tell him to look for?he said there are so many copies of the book listed he wants to know whaat is best oto get. thanks/ earl

earl richmond

Posted By: EARL RICHMOND | Posted on: Jan 25, 2013 - 7:07pm
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Thanks CJ never noticed it was printed there too.
Gary



Posted By: Gary Paulsen | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 3:03am
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Earl;
At this stage of the game, you might as well suggest your brother order the CD from PTHQ,ships store, currently 65$. Thats what I will probably do. These hardcopy versions are like hens teeth, and when you do find a hard copy, they usually fall within the $175-$250 range.
Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 4:56am
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Just checked my number on Page 4, mine is of all numbers, 109. How funny is that...............



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 5:16am
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Okay, I've never seen this book. What's it all about. Tell me about the contents.
Dave

David Waples

Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 6:08am
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ok guys/ thanks
my brottjerr may be able to get one cheaper in england.wwill see.
ships store seems like a gopod idea too earl

earl richmond

Posted By: EARL RICHMOND | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 6:08am
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Dave, Knights of the Sea was a hardcover book that was put out by PT BOATS INC., back in 1982. I call it my bible, as it lists hundreds of PT BOAT VETS, including a bio on each man listed and their photo. Contents include photos,PT Boat Nicknames, a list of all squadrons, some maps, color photos, color shots of squadron decals, British boats and bio's, all Tender photos and histories, and short stories. Mine was donated by PT BOATER, William Klaus, Ron 16, back on December 7, 1998. I wouldn't part with this book for all the money in China..........



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 7:20am
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David . . .

The Knights of the Sea Book was published back in 1982 and had a very heavy hard bound cover with a silver embossment. The book has just over 500 pages printed mainly in black and white with a few color pages in the front. The book is divided into sections:
Dedication
Introduction
Section 1 - Patches,Boats,Bases,Tenders,Training, page 9
Section 2 - P.T. Boats Inc-The Organization, page 69
Section 3 - Sea Stories, page 93
Section 4 - US P.T. Boaters, Then and Now (short Bio's), page 139
Section 5 - With Our Allie, Their histories and Tales, page 431
Section 6 - Biographies of Allies, Other Friends and Supporters, page 459
Section 7 - Ron Composition, PT Losses, PT Nicknames, KIA, Members, Glossary and Charts, Page 473

I bought my copy in 1999 from a used book dealer for $175.00 in excellent condition, however I was never able to find one that had been numbered. I had searched for a couple of years seeing a few on eBay at time going for $300 to $400 dollars and were numbered, although I bided on them they just simply ran above my price range. Fortunately back then, most of the used book dealers weren't selling yet on eBay and was able to purchase the one I have at a fairly reasonable price. Sadly it is no longer in excellent condition - see photos below!

Occasionally the book was mentioned or talked about on this message board and sellers on eBay selling the book for well over $300. So I decided in 2009 to sacrifice my book and scan, ocr, reassemble as a book, generate a searchable PDF and record it to CD disks and donate it to HQ to sell for operational fundraising, suggesting they sell it for $65.00.

At first I tried to scan the book as a whole, but the text margins were to close to the inside gutter resulting in the text being cut-off. Next I built a scanning frame and glass plate and planned to used a digital camera to shoot each page as the book was pressed tightly in the glass frame. Although a little better results, it still wasn't good enough to republish.

After those attempts failed, I was forced to dismantle the book, cutting off the bound cover, slicing each 16-page signature away from the wax and Smith sewn stitched inner binding, then cut apart each signature into individual pages. As I did this, my wife, Mary Ann likes to joke "she could hear me bawling throughout the whole procedure", Although I seriously doubt it! However, I did go thru a box of tissues.

Now that it is in 500-plus pieces, maybe I should sell it page by page [:-bigeyes2-:] [:-laughing-:] [:-unhappy-:]

Dick . . .

If you're a PT fan, you should consider buying the CD (contains a computer readable / 90% searchable Adobe "PDF" file - its not a image or movie file).
Ship's Store: [url]http://www.ptboats.org/08-0-05store-01-books.html[/url]



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Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 8:00am
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Thanks CJ Willis. I found my no. 522 on page 4 as you said. I purchased it from PT Boat,
Inc. when they first came out. Does anyone remember how much we paid for it?
Victor

Victor K Chun

Posted By: victorkchun | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 8:18am
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Dick

Your a better man than I am. I would have cried myself if I had to cut up that book. I guess you made the supreme sacrifice for all those that want to get a cheaper version of the book. I should get one myself, so I don't have to keep opening and closing the book for research. It would be much easier for sure. Thanks Dick, you do so much for this message board, and cutting up your book just proves my point...............



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 8:53am
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Good on ya, Dick!

Will

Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 9:17am
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Maybe we should dtart a colection so Dick can get another copy?

Cheers

"Give me a fast boat for we want to get out of harm's way too."

Posted By: PeterTareBuilder2 | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 3:50pm
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Dick! Wow all I can say is you are the most dedicated ever! I got mine a few years ago, I never noticed the number on Pg 4 until today. I have #1918. Pretty cool. I think I will buy one of your copies on disc just to be a good sport! Also to help the memory of the perfectly good book you so ruthlessly destroyed! Jerry PT658 Portland

Jerry Gilmartin

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 4:12pm
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Wow Dick, You realy do take the cake on this one the time and effort to break the book down and then scan it is huge.

One can only say thankyou for all the effort to produce the CD for us to enjoy .

Not to take anything away from you but did PT Boats ever think of doing a reprint or as with everything now would cost be a factor.

D.buck

Posted By: David Buck | Posted on: Jan 26, 2013 - 7:12pm
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The one that just sold on e-bay was on for a week and sold for $222.00. I got SUPER lucky and found one in mint condition last November for $99.00 on Amazon.



Posted By: Roy Forbes | Posted on: Jan 28, 2013 - 11:30am
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So how much can you do with the 'search' on the CD ?

Could you search through all the bio's for lets say.....anyone in Ron 15.......or anyone on the 210 ?



Steve

Posted By: Nuge210 | Posted on: Feb 1, 2013 - 8:27am
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You can search any word or phrase using a pdf program such as Adobe's free program "Adobe Reader" (use to be known as Adobe Acrobat Reader). Once the "Knights of the Sea" file is open, typically type a "Command F" and a search box will pop up, type in your phrase "RON 15" and press Return (Enter), the first occurrence page and blue highlighted word will load on the screen. Press "NEXT" and the next occurrence will pop up and continue until it has displayed all occurrences of the search word/term. In the case of RON 15, over 100 locations where shown, some times a couple or several times within the same paragraph. PT 210 only found one occurrence. Just using 210 will bring about other finds.

The search is not 100%. If the 512 Page book had been completely re-typed (over 850,000 type characters) it would be 99% accurate. As it is, it's probably 90% accurate for searches.

Once you searched for an item you can always use the text tool and copy and paste the information.

Samples below:



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Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Feb 2, 2013 - 10:47am
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