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Forum Name: PT Boats - General
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Topic: PT 619 RON 42 ROK PT 23
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Gents;
I just came across this, As per the boats history that we know PT 619 RON 42 was Transferred to South Korea 24 January 1952 at Sasebo, Japan and named Olbbaemi (PT 26)
PT 619 was Returned from Korea by PT Boats, Inc. with the efforts of Vice Admiral Bulkeley and remained at Memphis, TN until she was eventually broken up.
However, according to Wikipedia, PT 619 is now on their survivor list and according to them : "Served in the South Pacific as a downed pilot rescue boat. Now being restored by Randy Cunnigham in Vancouver B.C.[24]"Restoring the World War II patrol boat". Vancouver Sun. 18 April 2012. Retrieved 23 July 2012.

I know anyone can add to Wki but where did this crap come from?? Especially about a boat that was broken up in 1980????? But then if you go to thiswebsite:
http://www.vancouversun.com/McMartin+boat+hole+water+pour+life+into/6481396/story.html?tab=PHOT
you can clearly see it is an 63" ARS boat.
Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jan 23, 2013 - 3:05pm
Total Posts: 2841 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am



The article even correctly identifies it as P-619. This boat was originally built for the Navy as C-56162 but transferred to the USAAF.

Al Ross



Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Jan 23, 2013 - 3:54pm
Total Posts: 897 | Joined: Oct 30, 2006 - 8:19pm



Al;
I know this, and all of us do, but Sh-- now we are the target of bogus info?
We are the keepers of this flame!!! I dont want intruders on this site like on all the SPECWAR sites.
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jan 23, 2013 - 8:55pm
Total Posts: 2841 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am



I know Randy has an 63" AVR, is this the confusion?

Regards,
Glenn



Posted By: Glenn Anderson | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 4:32am
Total Posts: 45 | Joined: Nov 6, 2007 - 5:16am



Glenn;
There was no confusion on my part, whoever, entered it on Wiki was the confused one. I have since deleted it off Wiki. Please wish Randy all the best in his restoration of P-619.
Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 7:04am
Total Posts: 2841 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am



Hi Ted,
Yeah, I met Randy Cunningham and his crew a few years ago. He is really doing a bang up on job restoring his crash boat, the P-619. He came down to visit the PT658 and look at our equipment setup to try and get some ideas. I have talked to him on the phone periodically since then and I owe him a visit up to Vancouver BC to see his boat in person. Those guys are pretty talented and the boat is looking great. But you are right it is not a PT boat!
Jerry

Jerry Gilmartin

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 10:53am
Total Posts: 1213 | Joined: Oct 8, 2006 - 11:16pm



Jerry,

Do you have an email for Randy? I have a few items related to his boat that might be of interest to him. Thanks.

Al



Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 3:08pm
Total Posts: 897 | Joined: Oct 30, 2006 - 8:19pm



Avast ye PT swabbies!

Jerry G just rang and advised me that some muppet had the P-619 on Wikisville as a PT boat. While I appreciate the thought, I'm way too much a stickler for a detail like that.......besides, an AVR is so much better looking, nyuk, nyuk. Thanks for correcting that Ted.

Like I tell a lot of questioning folks, she's similar to a PT but smaller and a lot lighter armed....although I think the RPC versions of the AVR's might have carried more depth charges (36) than any PT boat. At 420 pounds a can, that was a lot of weight to lift on to the plane thus that model fully loaded was good for only about 28 knots.

Speaking of speed...and I'm sure Al knows this....I was just reading a document written by the late Jean Buhler(from MSC that created the 63's) of several test 63' AVR's with Packards that exceeded the USN request for 48 knots. I guess I'll need nitrous on the Hall-Scotts to get near that. Although I figure if I could even get about 7 pounds of forced induction, run up to 2500rpm and stiffen up the props, 50+ knots would be the number. Nice thing about the H-S's is that are so over-built, they can take a lot. Its more about the wallet.

Its just all time and money and as I'm a working stiff doing it myself it just takes more time. If anyone is interested I can download some recent pics of the 619 on this site if its possible.

Would love to hear what info you have Al. By all means contact me at rcontrack@telus.net.

Best to all,

Randy Cunningham

RC

Posted By: Randy | Posted on: Jan 24, 2013 - 7:26pm
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Ted,
Here is a photo that Randy sent me of his 63 ft AVR moored in Vancouver BC. I think he has done a fantastic job! Jerry

AVR P-619
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Jerry%20Gilmartin/RandyCunninghamsP619.jpg[/image]

Jerry Gilmartin

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Jan 27, 2013 - 9:43am
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She is Beautiful, I hope to see more photos of her. What a wonderful restoration...........



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Jan 27, 2013 - 10:30am
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are all those portholes below the deck legit? Cheers, B.J.

B.J.

Posted By: pappy bj | Posted on: Jan 28, 2013 - 7:15am
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Jerry;
Thanks for posting Randy's photo, she really does look outstanding!
Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Jan 28, 2013 - 9:51am
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All but the last pair for the engine room are original.

Sometime in the Sixties they were put in to give visibility for the man on the shift controls in the engine room. As the telegraph system is still used for the shifting, it made for a good 'just in case the telegraph failed' when docking. A little extra light doesn't hurt either.

RC

Posted By: Randy | Posted on: Jan 28, 2013 - 9:53am
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When ever I see these ARS type boats I'm reminded of the boats used in the movie In Harm's Way (1965 Otto Preminger Films / Paramount). Near the end of the movie involving the action scenes for the PT boats, it appears they used the stage props from They Were Expendable (1945 Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer) also incorporating some of the actual boats in the water clips.

[b][red]ARS Boats (size ? ? ?):[b/][/red]

[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/44.jpg[/image]


[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/45.jpg[/image]


[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/55-2.jpg[/image]


[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/4-2PM.jpg[/image]


[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/46.jpg[/image]


[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/55.jpg[/image]


[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/56.jpg[/image]


[b][red]Elco Stage Prop ? ? ? ? ? Same as They Were Expendable ? ? ? ? ?:[/b][/red]

[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/07.jpg[/image]


[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/12.jpg[/image]


[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/10-2.jpg[/image]


[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/10.jpg[/image]




Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Jan 31, 2013 - 8:56am
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Are they, also, the same sets which were used in PT-109?

And, are those sets in storage anywhere?

Posted By: TGConnelly | Posted on: Jan 31, 2013 - 9:26am
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From Terry Holtham's comprehensive work on the 63' boats:

[IMaGe]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/ihw_0001_zps05d62846.jpg[/IMaGe]
[IMaGe]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/ihw_0002_zpsb25af110.jpg[/IMaGe]
[IMaGe]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/ihw_0003_zps621430cd.jpg[/IMaGe]
Al Ross



Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Feb 2, 2013 - 9:22am
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AL . . . .

Is there any kind book, publication, article, manual, or drawing, etc., etc, you [b]DON'T[/b] have on PT's and related boats - this is getting old - you show off .

Thanks for the post, very interesting and much appreciated.

Dick . . .



Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Feb 2, 2013 - 10:54am
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Actually, my collection only scratches the surface. Now if someone would come up with a detail and specifications book for a Higgins...

Al



Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Feb 2, 2013 - 11:17am
Total Posts: 897 | Joined: Oct 30, 2006 - 8:19pm



Actually, my collection only scratches the surface. Now if someone would come up with a detail and specifications book for a Higgins...

Al



Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Feb 2, 2013 - 11:18am
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We all suspect that Jerry is hoarding a complete specs folder...


Will

Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Feb 2, 2013 - 1:27pm
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Believe me if I had one I would certainly share it with all you guys!


Jerry Gilmartin

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Feb 2, 2013 - 4:24pm
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Awesome job guys. Would love to see some more photos.



Posted By: Roy Forbes | Posted on: Feb 9, 2013 - 4:07pm
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