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What boats had the Manxon .50 quad turret?
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Just wondering which boats had the Manxon .50 quad turret? Did any of the early 103 Classboats have it even if only for experimental evaluation?
The Manxon .50 quad turret is available from Dragon for @ $31.99 Canadian.
Thanks and cheers
"Give me a faster PT boat for I'd like to get out of harm's way!"
Posted By: PeterTareBuilder | Posted on: Nov 3, 2012 - 3:02pm
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195 for certain.
[IMaGe]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/195-2.jpg[/IMaGe]
[IMaGe]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/m45_0001.jpg[/IMaGe]
[IMaGe]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/m45_0002.jpg[/IMaGe]
Al Ross
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Nov 3, 2012 - 3:23pm
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No Photographic Proof yet, but Rex Anderson skipper of PT-156 had the stern 20mm replaced with a Quad 50 mount supplied by the Army which included training of its use and maintainence.
Wayne Traxel
Posted By: Wayne Traxel | Posted on: Nov 3, 2012 - 5:47pm
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And there's a 1:35 103 class Elco coming soon to mount it on!
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Nov 3, 2012 - 6:44pm
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What do we have for photos of PT-195 other than what Al has posted here. I would like to see the boat in all her glory.
Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Nov 3, 2012 - 6:49pm
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I see the M-55 Quad mount on EBAY for about $20.00. What is the difference between this and the M-45 that Al posted. I could not find the one from Dragon.
Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Nov 3, 2012 - 7:10pm
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Trumpeter has a US Half Track kit that includes this gun.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Nov 3, 2012 - 9:54pm
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Trumpeter has a US Half Track kit that includes this gun.
Dave
David Waples
The Dragon turret is from their M-16 halftrack kit too but the dedicted turret kit has the wheeled mount which isn't needed gor a boat. Dragon M-16 kit is about $53.00 Canadian.
Monogram used to do a much simplified M-16 in 1/32 scale which was nice for those of us struggling to make the 1/32 Lindberg boat look decent.
I see the 195 boat has a turret mounted 20 mm too.
I think I know which boat I m ight build when I get the new 103 kit.
I'm thinking about casting one of the 596 torpedo bodys and also the props on it and then lengthening the body to atube launched length then casting four of them for the 103 tubes.
Cheers
"Give me a faster PT boat for I'd like to get out of harm's way!"
Posted By: PeterTareBuilder | Posted on: Nov 4, 2012 - 1:11am
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PT-156 definitely had a stern mounted Maxon mount. My father-in-law Col. James Grant Burgess, USA ret.(deceased) was instrumental in providing this mount to the USN in New Guini.
SteveS156
Posted By: SteveS156 | Posted on: Nov 4, 2012 - 6:06am
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Griffin Models has a very nice photoetch set to improve the Trumpeter Manxon set. Okay, I would love to see one of you all do this boat with the Italeri kit!
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Nov 4, 2012 - 6:37am
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For those of you building a 1/72 scale Revell PT boat Revell also makes a 1/76 scale M-16 half-track with the Manxon turret. I don't have that kit so I can't measure it to be sure it's 1/76 and not 1/72 but I don't think there'd be much difference at those scales.
Cheers
"Give me a faster PT boat for I'd like to get out of harm's way!"
Posted By: PeterTareBuilder | Posted on: Nov 4, 2012 - 12:26pm
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Wait a minute here you guys! Is it MANXON or MAXXON or is it MAXON? Somebody set us all straight please! Jerry
Jerry Gilmartin
Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Nov 4, 2012 - 2:54pm
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[url]http://www.robertsarmory.com/quad.htm[/url]
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Nov 4, 2012 - 3:35pm
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Thanks Al,
It is MAXON, named after the company who developed it. I thought I was losing my mind there for a minute! Jerry
Jerry Gilmartin
Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Nov 4, 2012 - 3:39pm
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Any thoughts on how it was mounted to the deck. On the 195 it looks like it was mounted on the 20mm pad, but how?
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Nov 4, 2012 - 3:56pm
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[IMaGe]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/base.jpg[/IMaGe]
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Nov 4, 2012 - 4:25pm
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This is not going to be an easy build unless someone has a few good shots of this boat carrying the mount and what ever armament she was carrying at the time. I have seen a few shots of the 195, but not very good shots, unless Dick has a drawing of her..........
Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Nov 4, 2012 - 7:11pm
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Posting a couple of naval use image links:
[image]http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6178/wnus50calm2mgquadpicax8.jpg[/image]
[image]http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n329/lhamto/quad.jpg[/image]
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Nov 5, 2012 - 10:31am
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Thanks Dick, it's funny that first photo looks like the base of the Quad is just sitting there under it's own weight, and not attached.
Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Nov 5, 2012 - 11:14am
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My father, a WWII tank driver, told me a story about a M16 (the halftrack that carried the Maxon unit) that was sitting near the spot their tanks were parked for a brief rest period. He said every morning for several days they would load up all four guns, carefully aim the unit with a compass and inclinometer, then fire on that point of aim until all ammo boxes were dry. He said a few of the tankers would stand and watch the tracers arc over the tree line into the distance. He always wondered why, with all the big bore guns around, they would choose the .50 cals.
And you guys are going to beat me to mounting the Italeri Maxon kit on an Italeri PT. I started the Italeri gun trailer kit. Very nice, lots of tiny pieces. I still have a bit of work my second Lindy PT, destined for an early boat like the speed run picture in the In Action book, with gray paint. Several M16 kits are on E-Bay now for less than $40. And a few less detailed ones in 1:32 if you want to use it on a Lindy boat.
There just isn't enough time in the day for all my model projects.
Dave
Dave
Posted By: boater dave | Posted on: Nov 5, 2012 - 11:42am
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Frank . . .
After blowing up the image I could see a weld joint running along the bottom of the cylinder, hinting to me there is a flush welded plate or ring. I assume the bottom mounting cylinder is attached to the deck prior to the actual Maxon quad turret being lowered and bolted to the top of the cylinder mount.
Dick . . .
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Nov 5, 2012 - 12:11pm
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I have advance ordered the kit and am planning on it. Any photos or drawings you may have would be much appreciated.
Steve
SteveS156
Posted By: SteveS156 | Posted on: Nov 6, 2012 - 7:09am
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Dick:
After blowing up the shot you posted, I too can see the weld marks that run along the round bottom plate of the unit. Not being able to see whats under the decking, it's hard to tell how it is secured. Interesting on how they secured this unit to the wooden deck of the PT BOATS, most likely bolted through and secured below to a beam, although one shot shows the Quad on the 20mm pad.
Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Nov 6, 2012 - 7:59am
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You guys are working too hard. [:-bigeyes-:] The base is a framework with a flange on either end. According to the tech manual, the skirt around the base between the two flanges is a two-piece unit that comes off to allow access to the drive mechanism. When I get home tonight, I'll upload some more photos from the tech manual.
Al
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Nov 6, 2012 - 8:53am
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You guys are working too hard. [:-bigeyes-:] The base is a framework with a flange on either end. According to the tech manual, the skirt around the base between the two flanges is a two-piece unit that comes off to allow access to the drive mechanism. When I get home tonight, I'll upload some more photos from the tech manual.
Al
Al saves the day again!
Looking forward to seeing those images.
Cheers
"Give me a faster PT boat for I'd like to get out of harm's way!"
Posted By: PeterTareBuilder | Posted on: Nov 6, 2012 - 9:43am
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Al . . .
I think you misunderstood the discussion. It wasn't about PT boat mounting it was about the ship photo that showed a lack of mounting ring to deck. The welding ring at the bottom edge indicated that there was an internal (inside the cylinder) mounting plate. This was probably to allow for mounting options with spacing that could match up to structure rather then deck. The PT mounting seems quit simple with the use of the mounting cylinder you showed in an earlier post.
This is a possible method, the internal plate could be configured in countless ways, the sample below is similar to a Jib Crane mount I did for a small ship.
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/M45-Mount.jpg[/image]
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/PT-195andQuad.jpg[/image]
[image]http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6178/wnus50calm2mgquadpicax8.jpg[/image]
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Nov 6, 2012 - 11:17am
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Here's some more stuff from the tech manual:
[IMaGe]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/m45_0003.jpg[/IMaGe]
[IMaGe]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/m45_0001-1.jpg[/IMaGe][IMaGe]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/m45_0002-1.jpg[/IMaGe]
Al
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Nov 6, 2012 - 3:52pm
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