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On my previous question about when was the mug shot taken, the response was that probably at boot camp.
As I put things in order for the scrap book to go to the photo book company, I still have a problem with this placement.

I am hoping the photo below turns out. I scanned his mug shot and the Farragut photo side by side.
He looks so young and innocent in the Farragut photo.
Not so much in the mug shot.
Longer hair, looks older and not so innocent.
Could have been the moment it was taken.
Just double checking with you guy's before I put it in the beggining of the book.
He was sent to Melville after he was in the South Pacific.
Would Melville have taken mug shots and finger prints?
Julie
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/mugshotquestion001.jpg[/image]

Posted By: MN Gal | Posted on: May 22, 2012 - 4:12am
Total Posts: 126 | Joined: Jan 4, 2012 - 7:57am

All major commands had the capability to take ID photos. it could have been taken at Melville after his time in the Pacific. The ID cards did not have rates or ranks on them so he wouldn't have gotten one as he advanced. But after some time, particularly in the Pacific with the heat and humidity, things get worn out and need to be replaced.

Charlie

Posted By: 29navy | Posted on: May 22, 2012 - 4:15am
Total Posts: 601 | Joined: Dec 28, 2006 - 3:02pm

Charlie,
Thank you for that information, What do you think of the two photo's?
Do you think the mug shot was later?
Could it have been just a stern face of the same young man at Farragut recieving?
Julie

Posted By: MN Gal | Posted on: May 22, 2012 - 5:37am
Total Posts: 126 | Joined: Jan 4, 2012 - 7:57am

The photo on the right was taken at The Naval Training Center. Notice he is clean shaven with military hair cut. Now, the photo on the left shows him with a much fuller head of hair, as most boys would have had before heading out to NTS School. Tough to say, because as Charlie mentions, each place had the ability to take photo's. This could be before NTC School, or possibly at Melville.

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: May 22, 2012 - 6:10am
Total Posts: 3497 | Joined: Oct 9, 2006 - 6:09am

Frank,
Before NTS?
Maybe this was taken at the enlistment station in Minneapolis?
Does the lines in the background mean anything to anyone?

Julie

Posted By: MN Gal | Posted on: May 22, 2012 - 7:35am
Total Posts: 126 | Joined: Jan 4, 2012 - 7:57am

Julie,
From some mug shots I have seen many have a height chart in the background. Measured in inches.
Gary

Posted By: Gary Paulsen | Posted on: May 22, 2012 - 8:32am
Total Posts: 249 | Joined: Feb 14, 2009 - 6:31am

Here's a sample of a WWII era USN id card. You can see the height markings. This is pretty much standard.

Look at the name??????? Frank? is that you?

[Image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/usnidcard.jpg[/Image]

Charlie

Posted By: 29navy | Posted on: May 22, 2012 - 11:04am
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Great picture Charlie! Frank I didn't know you were born in 1911! So you really are 101 years old? Wow you look good for your age! Jerry

Jerry Gilmartin

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: May 22, 2012 - 11:10am
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Hey that's pretty good guys. I never knew I was in the Navy in my other Life. 147 pounds? Whew, I might have been that weight when I was 10...................

Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: May 22, 2012 - 2:43pm
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Julie,

Those two photos almost look like two different guys ! I wonder how much time passed between the two ?

Charlie, you must have been waiting for just the right time to spring that on Frank. Nice job.

Steve

Posted By: Nuge210 | Posted on: May 22, 2012 - 5:26pm
Total Posts: 323 | Joined: Jun 4, 2008 - 7:50am

I guess I agree with Steve, I just needed someone else to say it.
I just couldnt place the two in the same time line.

The mug shot looks like he is older and more knowing.

Thanks Guy's
Julie

Could it be that the photo on the right is before he saw any action and the photo on the left was taken after he'd seen action in the war? War ages some people pretty drastically.

Cheers from Peter|TareBuilder

"Give me a faster PT boat for I'd like to get out of harm's way!"

Posted By: PeterTareBuilder | Posted on: May 23, 2012 - 8:17am
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