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» Topic: 1/32 Lindberg Hull = What 2 build? What 2 build?
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Hi there.

I have another 1/32 scale Lindberg PT boat hull and many extra parts including two each of the two different size gun tubs. Since even building a 103 Cass boat involves a lot of scratchbuilding and since the hull scales up to 78 feet and not 80 feet, I thought I might just use the hull to scratchbuild a facsimile of either a 78' Elco or a Higgins boat. After seeing the wonderful drawings of the Higgins posted here by Al Ross recently I'm leaning towards building it as a Higgins.

If you fellow modellers had this hull and the spare parts I have what would you build, the 78' Elco or the Higgins?

Cheers from Peter

"Give me a faster PT boat for I'd like to get out of harm's way!"

Posted By: PeterTareBuilder | Posted on: Apr 23, 2012 - 2:25pm
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I would throw away the parts and scratch-build....[:-devil-:]

Al



Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Apr 23, 2012 - 2:36pm
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Yes, I also build. While not a PT, here are my latest kits for BlueJacket. They depict GEARING (DD710) as built (1945) and reconfigured as part of the FRAM programs (1962). Scale is 1/192 (1/16 = 1').

WWII
[IMAGE]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/IMG_0939.jpg[/IMAGE]
[IMAGE]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/IMG_0947.jpg[/IMAGE]

FRAM
[IMAGE]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/Starboardbowoverall.jpg[/IMAGE]
[IMAGE]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/DASHhangararea.jpg[/IMAGE]

Al





Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Apr 23, 2012 - 2:47pm
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That is just super Al, great looking boat and model.
Sheldon



Posted By: Hadly | Posted on: Apr 23, 2012 - 3:01pm
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I have a brand new 1/144 scale Fletcher class Destroyer from Revell of Germany. A beautiful kit, roughly 31 inches long, that Stan has to build for me. Should be 2016 by the time he gets to it though. Nice model Al.............



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Apr 23, 2012 - 5:27pm
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I would vote Higgins!!!

Bob

Posted By: Bob | Posted on: Apr 23, 2012 - 5:53pm
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Has my thread on PT boats models ben intercepted by destroyers? VBG LOL ;<)

Curious as to why Higgins instead of a 78' Elco?

I could always use the hull for something non-PT boat such as a 1/20 civilian Cabin Crusier. I even have some old Preisser 1/20 scale figures I can put in it.

However I would like to buld it as some sort of PT boat. I mean I do have the four deck vents, some extra 20 mm guns and gun tubs I can use so why just chuck all those away. I'm not looking for 100% accuracy (impossible with any Lindberg military subject kit I've ever seen or owned) just a reasonable looking model to run around on the local pond.

Cheers from Peter

"Give me a faster PT boat for I'd like to get out of harm's way!"

Posted By: PeterTareBuilder | Posted on: Apr 23, 2012 - 7:20pm
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Yes my vote is definitely for a Higgins! Elcos have been done to death. Of course, I am [b]completely[/b] unbiased.
Jerry Gilmartin
PT658 Crew
(78 foot Higgins)

Jerry Gilmartin

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Apr 23, 2012 - 7:32pm
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Hi Jerry.

At least with the Higgins there is a fantastic source of information on it. VBG

I kindof like the looks of the superstructure of the Higgins and I really leaning towards doing one of them.

Cheers

"Give me a faster PT boat for I'd like to get out of harm's way!"

Posted By: PeterTareBuilder | Posted on: Apr 23, 2012 - 7:47pm
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Although I love the Elco Boats, I would like to see you do a HIGGINS PT BOAT. We just do not see enough of them being done as projects.........................



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Apr 23, 2012 - 8:27pm
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Perhaps a 265 series, maybe even a Ron 22 boat. No particular reason.
If I was to pick a number, maybe the 305. That number just pops into my head for some reason.

Bob

Posted By: Bob | Posted on: Apr 24, 2012 - 5:54am
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The 1/32 Lindberg PT troubles and inaccuracies are long and known by most. The most obvious are the problems with the bow and its resemblance more of the 77' boat than the 80 footer.The stern being a little to wide, not to mention all the above deck line inaccuracies. One of the biggest is the lack of hull flair along the length of the boat. Easier to get out of an injection mold i guess? The Higgins doesnt have a lot of notable hull flair down its length either. So fix the bow and rebuild from the deck line up and you got a reasonably accurate Higgins! The Lindberg PT 109 is what it is! A 1/32 PT boat model when for the longest time it was the only thing in town. Now you have Italerie and its mixed blessing offerings and a FG hull in 1/32 of a 80' and 77' from microglass! Than theres the Dumas PT boats, A whole another set off issues to deal with!!!!!

Dam the torpedoes...full speed ahead!

Posted By: Michael Snodgrass | Posted on: Apr 24, 2012 - 8:15am
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How about PT 809. I know the drawings for it are harder to find than hen's tooth. However,
thanks to Al and Dick, I managed to print the profile and deck plans in my vol. II
page 189. From it I hope some expert modeler with imagination can scratch this one of a
kind model. By the way, I have no more drawings of PT 809.

Victor

Victor K Chun

Posted By: victorkchun | Posted on: Apr 25, 2012 - 11:04am
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[image]http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x164/willday6/DSCN1827.jpg[/image]

Will

Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Apr 25, 2012 - 12:47pm
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Hey...

Anybody know what the original, full name of naval destroyers was?

"Torpedo boat destroyers."

You could look it up!



Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Apr 25, 2012 - 2:43pm
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Will that's a very nice job you did on this build. Seems a bit dusty though, I would feel very comfortable if you sent it my way, along with the 10 year promised PT-109. Stan would give it an update, with a new case and base, lmao. Hey, I'm always trying buddy.




Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Apr 25, 2012 - 4:44pm
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The 1/32 Lindberg PT troubles and inaccuracies are long and known by most. The most obvious are the problems with the bow and its resemblance more of the 77' boat than the 80 footer.The stern being a little to wide, not to mention all the above deck line inaccuracies. One of the biggest is the lack of hull flair along the length of the boat. Easier to get out of an injection mold i guess? The Higgins doesnt have a lot of notable hull flair down its length either. So fix the bow and rebuild from the deck line up and you got a reasonably accurate Higgins! The Lindberg PT 109 is what it is! A 1/32 PT boat model when for the longest time it was the only thing in town. Now you have Italerie and its mixed blessing offerings and a FG hull in 1/32 of a 80' and 77' from microglass! Than theres the Dumas PT boats, A whole another set off issues to deal with!!!!!

Dam the torpedoes...full speed ahead!


Hi there.

It would be interesting to see which cam out first from Lindberg - the 1/20 scale Chris Craft Constellation (finally re-released but at a whopping $150.00) or the 1/32 PT-109. The 109 does have the same hull as the Constellation but it looks like the Constellation hull has a built up section at the bow and along the sides. The helm in the 109 kit is also better suited to a 1/20 crsuiser like the Constellation.

I like the decks of the 78' Elco and of the Higgins.

I have lots of sheet styrene I scavenged from an old shower stall. Maybe I`ll build a deck of the Elco and the Higgins and use the one I like best.

Cheers

"Give me a faster PT boat for I'd like to get out of harm's way!"

Posted By: PeterTareBuilder | Posted on: Apr 25, 2012 - 4:55pm
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Don't worry, Frankie. I am keeping them safe for you. I figure there is no hurry, since Stan won't have time to work on anything until about 2019.

Will

Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Apr 25, 2012 - 6:00pm
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Hey Will you have that right, I think Stan might just kill me if I bring one more project to his house. I can tell you this, Stan will complete the WWII PT BOAT RIDE ON SCOOTER first, then start our PT-66 PROJECT...............



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Apr 26, 2012 - 7:09am
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