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Site Update
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I added a bridge and chart house page and deleted the old chart house page. Although currently it covers completely (less the searchlight) only up to PT 138, I eventually plan on covering up to the 367 boat. Please let me know if you find any mistakes: [url]http://www.pt103.com/PT_Boat_Components_Bridge_And_Chart_House.html[/url]
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Apr 11, 2012 - 1:18pm
Total Posts: 2200 | Joined: Dec 21, 2006 - 1:30am
Well, if that is the best you can do, we'll just have to go with it.
GAWD, JEFF. ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Apr 11, 2012 - 1:57pm
Total Posts: 1955 | Joined: Oct 8, 2006 - 4:19pm
Jeff
Some of the finest work I have ever seen. You should be proud of your efforts..............................
Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Apr 11, 2012 - 4:01pm
Total Posts: 3497 | Joined: Oct 9, 2006 - 6:09am
Incredibly well-done and fascinating work, Jeff.
Thank you!
Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: Apr 11, 2012 - 5:26pm
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Thanks guys, I appreciate your comments.
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Apr 11, 2012 - 6:05pm
Total Posts: 2200 | Joined: Dec 21, 2006 - 1:30am
Jeff,
Very nice 3D models. What tool do you use to create these?
Bill
Bill Smallshaw
Posted By: smallwi | Posted on: Apr 11, 2012 - 6:13pm
Total Posts: 134 | Joined: Jun 21, 2007 - 3:02pm
Jeff, I'm thinking we run your drawings through a giant 3D printer and make a resin copy. What do you think? Outstanding work!
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Apr 11, 2012 - 9:38pm
Total Posts: 1679 | Joined: Jan 2, 2007 - 9:55pm
3D Studio Max Bill, it has a great set of features beyond modeling. Eventually I'd like to do some "action shots" and animations when I've finished the model.
Wouldn't that be cool David! One day...
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Apr 12, 2012 - 3:18am
Total Posts: 2200 | Joined: Dec 21, 2006 - 1:30am
Hey Jeff,
Superb details, Many I wasn't aware of.
Wayne Traxel
Posted By: Wayne Traxel | Posted on: Apr 12, 2012 - 6:21am
Total Posts: 248 | Joined: Oct 11, 2006 - 5:40am
Jeff;
Outstanding work!!! They almost look like photographs!!
Great Work again
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Apr 12, 2012 - 8:05am
Total Posts: 3059 | Joined: Oct 16, 2006 - 7:42am
Thanks Wayne and Ted. I have a great deal of respect for the people in the movie industry that can make the models look real enough to make you wonder. That's beyond my skills... but at least I can get it close enough for government work.
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Apr 12, 2012 - 3:44pm
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Jeff - The assembly of the drawings is excellent. Soon I imagine we'll be able to virtually move through the boat as if we were on it! Although that may be a way off, is that even possible?
Bridge
Posted By: TheBridge | Posted on: Apr 12, 2012 - 5:13pm
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Thanks Bridge. I don't know about a virtual PT boat unless it would be a low resolution type as found in video games. Even that would be cool but again, beyond my skill.
I've always liked this site, which lets you move around a bit: [url]http://www.pacificwarmuseum.org/virtualtours/ptboat/tourfiles/flash/index_fs.html[/url]
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Apr 13, 2012 - 1:28am
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Jeff really nice, but where do you get all that information to make the drawings. That's also for Dick. Where do you guys get that much information to make detailed 3-D models and three dimensional cutway drawings. Its beyound me. Great Job!
Sheldon
Posted By: Hadly | Posted on: Apr 13, 2012 - 10:35am
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Jeff . . .
[b][red]STUNNING ![/red][/b]
Dick . . .
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Apr 13, 2012 - 1:01pm
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Thanks Sheldon. I have Dick to thank for that as well as Al Ross. They made available the DVD of Elco 80' drawings. Whatever little stuff wasn't on it I did from photos, like the horns and life ring. One interesting thing is that Federal Electric still makes the Model 56 horn (with some small changes). It's commonly used in sports like basketball and it's probably close to the way the PT boat nav horn sounded.
Here's a link to the DVD of drawings:
[url]http://www.gdinc.com/microDVD-001.html[/url]
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Apr 13, 2012 - 1:07pm
Total Posts: 2200 | Joined: Dec 21, 2006 - 1:30am
Speak of the devil, thank you very much Dick! That page wouldn't be anywhere near as accurately (I hope) detailed if not for you.
Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: Apr 13, 2012 - 1:11pm
Total Posts: 2200 | Joined: Dec 21, 2006 - 1:30am
Sheldon . . .
I sadly don't have Jeff's expert CAD and 3-D Modeling skills - argh, argh, arghhhhhh. I do it the old technical illustrator way with T-square, triangles, ellipse guides and proportional dividers and plot-out each point then connect the dots on large 30" x 40" sheets of drafting vellum. I started my cutaways and interiors back in 1995 without having access or knowledge about the microfilm, I simply bought hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of blueprint copies from HQ. However, the blueprint selection was far less then needed, so like Jeff, I had to count very heavily on photographs from books. The books used were from the likes of Victor's, Al's, Frank Johnson's and Bob Ferrell's. Those were about the only picture books around back then. Wish I had the resources we have today, the countless new books and including all the great photo postings here on the board. Below is a sample of the my process:
Most all of the plotting points and guide lines are invisible here because they are drawn in a light blue pencil know as "non-repro blue". Most of the line work visible is where I've used a regular lead point pencil and traced over only the blue lines and ploting points I wanted to be visible for furtherer processing.
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/1.jpg[/image]
This is image shows a finished traced line drawing.
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/2.jpg[/image]
The last image is where I've scanned and traced the image in Adobe Illustrator, where I identify planes and added color to those planes.
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Webmaster/3.jpg[/image]
Dick . . .
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Apr 14, 2012 - 8:54am
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Awesome stuff, Dick. Thanks for sharing the process.
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Apr 14, 2012 - 9:39am
Total Posts: 1955 | Joined: Oct 8, 2006 - 4:19pm
Dick, Jeff, you guys surely have some talent there. Thanks for all the work you do on pt boats, time and effort and it sounds like money too, is surely evident in your work. Great job you guys.
Sheldon
(SH)
Posted By: Hadly | Posted on: Apr 14, 2012 - 12:05pm
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Hi Dick,
I was looking at your drawings and a question occurs to me. I can see where the fill necks for the wings gas tanks are, but where is the fill pipe fill cap for the center tank? Was it located centerline just forward of the dayroom canopy? I just realized I had no idea where it is. Strange, I never considered it was not right next to the other two! Please enlighten me if possible. I am just curious. Thanks Jerry
Jerry Gilmartin
Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Apr 14, 2012 - 8:35pm
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Jerry . . .
It's on the bridge just in front of the Dayroom, as you assumed. Jeff has it detailed (modeled) on one of his internal bridge views. On my drawing you can see just inside the forward section of the Dayroom, a raised floor section with a cover. This is where the pipe runs a short section parallel to the deck from the bridge to the top of the tank. Where there is a tee with overfill lines running starboard exiting the haul. When I drew this back in 1995 I didn't show much detail because the info wasn't available. I believe back then I noticed on one of Al's drawings a callout for the fuel port on the bridge and assumed what I had drawn.
At the back of the room is a covered access to the center tank's topside outlet ports to the engine room.
Dick . . .
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Apr 14, 2012 - 10:50pm
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Keep up the excellent work. Great insight and pictures.
Posted By: Black Ops | Posted on: Apr 15, 2012 - 1:40pm
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