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New PT Books?
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I know we've been lucky to get the inside head's up on a lot of the PT book projects here but I hadn't heard of this two volume set:
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Beachheads-Secured-History-Torpedo-1939-August/dp/1450008364/ref=sr_1_41?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1292189176&sr=1-41[/url]
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Beachheads-Secured-II-history-1939-August/dp/1450008380/ref=sr_1_42?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1292189378&sr=1-42[/url]
Am I just out of the loop or is this news to the gang here? Not a very good sales pitch on the Amazon page; I know nothing more about the book other than the title and a write up on the author.
Grandson of James J Stanton
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Posted By: newsnerd99 | Posted on: Dec 12, 2010 - 1:30pm
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This one is a shocker to me. Never even knew anything about this book or the Author. Thanks for the heads up Jim.
Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: Dec 12, 2010 - 3:09pm
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I've never heard anything about this set, either. Exlibris is a self-publishing company, so it's likely that there was little or no peer review. The price is certainly inexpensive for 1000+ pages. The cover is very odd - looks like a portion of a mediocre ship model of some type. Might be worth getting one volume and seeing what's there.
Al Ross
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Dec 12, 2010 - 5:29pm
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Hi Guys,
I found this when I googled Harold Barbin:
HAROLD L. BARBIN Obituary(Archived)
Published in Houston Chronicle on March 21, 2010
First 25 of 166 words: HAROLD L. BARBIN, CMSGT Retired, 84, he was born Ocober 23, 1925 in Beaumont, TX, he died Friday, March 19, 2010 in Houston, TX.
I read also that his wife, Mavis, died previously. So this book must have been self published by his Next of Kin. I agree with you Al. The cover photo is very strange, it does not look quite like a PT Boat! It partially resembles part of the aft day room on an 80 foot Elco, but not really. I wonder what it is? Let us know what the book looks like inside. Thanks Jerry
Jerry Gilmartin
Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Dec 12, 2010 - 6:20pm
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Let us know what the book looks like inside. Thanks Jerry
Jerry Gilmartin
I ordered v1 tonight and should see in a couple weeks.
Al
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Dec 12, 2010 - 7:33pm
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the cover sort of reminds me of a ship more than anything, maybe its the aft portion of some late or post war large boats, like the Japanese PT 815, or post war English or German boat.
Take care,
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Dec 13, 2010 - 4:52am
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Weren't their some larger boats at the beginning of the war that carried torpedo tubes. Maybe like a Sub Chaser or Patrol Craft, something like that, or even the early Destroyers use to have.
SH
Posted By: Hadly | Posted on: Dec 13, 2010 - 9:32am
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Silly me, If I had done a little searching like I just finished the cover is clearly of PT-15, Japanese Torpedo Boat PT-15 model. You can go to this place and look at several photos of the model - - -
aeroscale.co.uk
or do a image searcher for Japanese Torpedo Boat PT-15
SH
Posted By: Hadly | Posted on: Dec 13, 2010 - 10:00am
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Hadly,
Good detective work! Thats kind of Ironic using a photo of a model of a Japanese PT Boat on the cover of a book about US PT Boats! Now thats funny right there, I dont care who you are! Jerry
Jerry Gilmartin
Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Dec 13, 2010 - 12:26pm
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the cover is clearly of PT-15, Japanese Torpedo Boat PT-15 model.
Yup, a post-war design for the JMSDF. This doesn't give me a warm fuzzy about the book[:-unhappy-:] We'll see soon.
Al Ross
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Dec 13, 2010 - 1:32pm
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I think they should have put a photo of a nice Higgins PT Boat like this one on the cover....then it would sell better for sure! Jerry
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/PT631%20Higgins%20Builders%20Photos/pt631_rockets.jpg[/image]
[image]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/pt658_navytimes606.jpg[/image]
Jerry Gilmartin
Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: Dec 13, 2010 - 4:40pm
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Anyone get a copy yet?
Grandson of James J Stanton
RON 15 PT 209 and RON 23 PT 243
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Posted By: newsnerd99 | Posted on: Jan 5, 2011 - 1:13pm
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I think we're all waiting for someone else to spend the money ! ! !
SH
Posted By: Hadly | Posted on: Jan 5, 2011 - 1:33pm
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Mine was shipped 12/13 and has been sitting somewhere since 12/17.
Al Ross
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Jan 5, 2011 - 2:44pm
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Looking forward to your review Al. I ordered some photoetch from White Ensign Models that was shipped on 12/6 and it hasn't arrived yet. If you find your shipment maybe there's hope for mine too! Anyway, looking forward to seeing your review.
When I did some searching on the PT-15 I came across the Tamiya kit. Eduard makes a nice photoetch set for it. It builds into a very nice model.
Dave
David Waples
Posted By: David Waples | Posted on: Jan 6, 2011 - 4:39am
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I ordered v1 tonight and should see in a couple weeks.
Well, Amazon claims they sent it, FedEx claims they delivered it to the US Post Office in Bangor, USPS claims they don't have a record of it being scanned in. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
Al Ross
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Jan 7, 2011 - 1:55pm
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I ordered some photoetch from White Ensign Models that was shipped on 12/6 and it hasn't arrived yet. David Waples
I ordered an MAS 568 kit from WEM about a week later and they shipped it on 12/15. Haven't seen it either. Usually, their service is great. I emailed John and he said there was a snow storm over there that day (1/2") and it's probably stuck in the back of a warehouse at the airport. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh, again!
Al
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Jan 7, 2011 - 2:01pm
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The good folks at Amazon are sending another copy, no questions asked. The response to my email was literally within minutes. Bravo Zulu!!
Al Ross
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Jan 8, 2011 - 7:10am
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I've (hopefully) got a copy of V.I on the way from Amazon as well. Looking inside the cover on the Amazon website, it seems to be a lot of personal narrative and minuta on base development, etc. with some pretty specific criticisms of "wrong information" in some of the existing works like AT CLOSE QUARTERS.
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Jan 8, 2011 - 9:11am
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Mu daughter ordered some VHS from Amazon.com I got them in less than
two days. I cannot believe it.
Victor
Victor K Chun
Posted By: victorkchun | Posted on: Jan 8, 2011 - 9:31am
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. with some pretty specific criticisms of "wrong information" in some of the existing works like AT CLOSE QUARTERS.
Will
Based on your observations, I took a "look inside" on the Amazon site, too. I'm intrigued!!!! On the surface, it looks like the author did a lot of primary research. The text as presented seems like a confusing collection of notes rather than a narrative; will have to see what the actual book looks like. I'm very curious to see what his comments on the boats themselves are like.
Al Ross
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Jan 8, 2011 - 5:40pm
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It does sort of pique one's curiosity, doesn't it?
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Jan 8, 2011 - 9:08pm
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Well, the replacement copy arrived. I'm dumbfounded. I've never seen a mess like this in my life!! [:-confused2-:]
This is not a book. It is a mass of absolutely confusing notes, paragraphs, charts, maps, letters, etc., jumbled together and bound, 500+ pages. I'm sure there's some useful information somewhere in there, but it would take months to decipher. [:-question-:]
Al Ross
Posted By: alross2 | Posted on: Jan 10, 2011 - 2:15pm
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I'm with you, Al! After leafing through Vol I and spot-reading some pages, it would appear to be meticulously researched, but the veracity of the content is gonna be a mess to decipher. There are probably some real nuggets of info in there - the trick is going to be to get a grip on the whole thing.
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Jan 10, 2011 - 2:35pm
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Hi everyone,
My vol. I & II of Beachheads Secured arrived two days ago. What a mess! I agree 100% with what Al Ross and Will Day said on the
message board. "It is a confusing collection of nates" about PT boat bases. The English and format are so bad, I failed to understand the
many tables and maps and everything else. There might be some jems in the 1000 pages of information, however, to dig them out is like finding gold in your back yard. What a waste of money and I am stupid enough to ordered two volumes.
Victor
Victor K Chun
Posted By: victorkchun | Posted on: Jan 29, 2011 - 10:20am
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