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RON 23 PT 282
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My Great Uncle, James C. Herrin "Cheese" was a GM2 on PT 282 and previously PT 283. His records show he made 78 patrols between January 8, 1944 and June ?, 1945. (anybody remember him?) I am confused by his record, as he is suddenly at RS Boston, Mass on 6/16/45, where he is awarded a Purple Heart on 7/25/45 by Commander Naval Forces, Northern Solomons. Then on 8/4/45 he is at TADCEN Shoemaker, CA; then on 8/21 at USNH Shoemaker and then on 8/29 at USNH San Diego. Does this scenario make sense? What was RS Boston MA and why would he have been sent there from RON 23 and then returned to Shoemaker, CA? I thought RON 23 was in the Philippines by the summer of 45, so would the Purple Heart have been from an incident much earlier, ie the sinking of PT 283? I will greatly appreciate any help in clarifying this sequence of events.
Posted By: Kent Young | Posted on: Nov 17, 2006 - 6:03am
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Additional comments concerning this posting: I received the action report for the sinking of PT 283. James Herrin was not aboard this boat at that time - so I was wrong in that "educated" assumption. His Purple Heart must have been for injury received in action on PT 282, as it is the only boat he apparently served aboard (it is the only boat listed in his records and Ron 23 is the only PT squadron listed in his records.) I also discovered that the RS Boston Mass was a Receiving Ship, which apparently transported him back to the States.
I am confused by his Purple Heart incident - family members tell me that a bomb went off and that he was in the water for 15 hours or so. He lost some of his hearing from the blast, but he returned to duty. This incident apparently occurred before Nov or Dec 1944. Supposedly, the boat was "blown out from under him," which is why I had assumed it was sunk. From what I have found, Squadron 23 only lost PT 283 in such an incident. I suppose, he could have been blown off of PT 282, which remained operational.
Does anyone out there have any suggestions or remember anything that might enlighten what really happened here?
Thanks!
Posted By: Kent Young | Posted on: Dec 4, 2006 - 3:14pm
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Kent: Don't know if this could have had anything to do with it, but the 282 WAS involved in a collision with PT-279 that resulted in injured crewmen.
Will
Posted By: Will Day | Posted on: Dec 5, 2006 - 9:42am
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Thank you, Will. I did consider that previously, but the circumstances don't match what family members describe. Cheese's brother-in-law, whom I've spoken with about this, served in the Navy at the same time but at different commands. They met on Manus in November or December 1944, after the incident occurred. He said that it was a Japanese bomb and not artillery that wounded Cheese Herrin and he had thought it was while Cheese was aboard PT 282.
Posted By: Kent Young | Posted on: Dec 6, 2006 - 6:50pm
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My Dad, William (Bill) Lamborne was on the 279 during the collision with the 282. The 279 lost a man overboard during the collision, but I do not think there were any other serious injuries that night.
It's ironic that I saw this posting refering to his boat today. Dad passed away last night
Posted By: Robert Lamborne | Posted on: Mar 3, 2007 - 8:44am
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Thank you for the reply. You have my condolences for the loss of your father.
I recently received the Ron 23 War Diary which details the collission. If you give me your email, I will forward it to you - I have it transcribed in WORD. It only mentions the men lost and a couple of others, not your father, but it is interesting.
I am still working out details concerning my uncle's service before I submit the reports of both this incident and the sinking of PT 283 to PT Boats, Inc.
Kent
Posted By: Kent Young | Posted on: Mar 3, 2007 - 9:37am
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Kent:
Thank you for your reply. I would appreciate having a copy of that. My email address is: rl54@charter.net. After I read over the report, I may be able to add a few details that you might be interested in.
Last Thanksgiving, I took my Dad to Fredricksburg, Texas where a restored PT Boat is on display. The museum staff was wonderful and actually allowed us to go on deck. Dad showed me where he was standing when the collision occured. He was getting feeble at that time, but it was a great experience for both of us.
Thank you again.
Robert Lamborne
Posted By: Robert Lamborne | Posted on: Mar 3, 2007 - 5:37pm
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Kent: You mention having a War Diary of Ron 23. I would like very much to read it. I was in Ron 19 as gunner on P.T. 242. Ron 19 was decomissioned on May 15, 1944 and P.T. 242 was placed in Ron 23. I was in Ron 23 aboard 242 from May 15, 1944 to December 1944 operating out of Green Island. Our crew was relieved of duty at that time and sent back to the States for leave.
At the time of the collision of PT 282 and PT 279 we were in Rendova. I have an account of the collison written by our Exec. based on reports he received at that time.
Again, I would like to see the Ron 23 War Diary. If possible.
E-Mail: randocjw@aol.com
C. J. Willis
Posted By: CJ Willis | Posted on: Mar 4, 2007 - 9:54am
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C.J.:
Would it be possible to get a copy of the account of the collision? As I mentioned, my Dad was on the 279 that night. I would really like to read that.
Robert Lamborne
Posted By: Robert Lamborne | Posted on: Mar 4, 2007 - 8:00pm
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Robert;
Will E-Mail you what I have.
C. J. Willis
Posted By: CJ Willis | Posted on: Mar 5, 2007 - 2:10pm
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C. J.
Did you get the information I email you over the weekend concerning PT 279?
Kent
Posted By: Kent Young | Posted on: Mar 5, 2007 - 3:25pm
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Kent, could you possibly email me a copy of the Ron 23 War Diary also.
My father Walter Bauer Jr, was a torpedoman in Ron 23. Although information is pretty hard to come by, from a nickname "Knightmare" he frequently mentioned, I believe he may have served on PT 277.
Unfortunately I don't know when he was with Ron 23 though. It appears last on his separation papers, so I would assume it was the latter part of the war.
Anything you could send would be helpful and very much appreciated.
My email address is wbauer@crcins.com
Wayne Bauer
Posted By: Wayne Bauer | Posted on: Mar 21, 2007 - 3:43pm
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My grandfather Stuart A Shipley was on the 282 that night. He is alive and well and I have heard his story of that night.
Posted By: patrick shipley | Posted on: May 13, 2007 - 4:42pm
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Wonderful Mr. Shipley - can you ask him if he remembers James "Cheese" Herrin - a gunners mate. If possible, I would love to talk to him or email him to discuss the 282. I have a write-up I've done on that boat and aquired a few records from the archives about the incident.
Thanks!
Kent
Posted By: Kent Young | Posted on: May 14, 2007 - 2:38pm
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couldn't you cast them in resin, using the model part as a master? Seems it would be the easiest way to go.
Kurt
PS any more pics yet?
Posted By: Kurt | Posted on: May 14, 2007 - 4:36pm
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so sorry, this ended up in the wrong section.
Kurt
Posted By: Kurt | Posted on: May 14, 2007 - 5:38pm
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Helllo Kent Young...would you be willing to forward the RON 23 diary to me as well? I have lots of information on RON 15's ops in the Med, but not much on my grandfather's work in the Pacific. Thanks so much! stanton@sutv.zzn.com
Grandson of James J Stanton
RON 15 PT-209
RON 23 PT-243
Posted By: newsnerd99 | Posted on: Aug 9, 2007 - 6:38am
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Kent i have a liitle info for you. The records show PT-283 Destroyed on 17 March 1944. So 8 January 1944 to 17 March 1944 he may have been on PT-283. However through June of 45 ? cannot be right. The loss date is accurate. 17 March 1944. Boughganville Solomon Islands off Point Moki. The internet has two very short statements on PT-283. Friendly fire the USS Guest 472 or Japanese Naval Shore Battery Guns. This is why i joined the Team. I want to read the whole story and its fate could some of it still be classified Scott J Hilliard.
Scott J Hilliard.
Posted By: Scott J Hilliard | Posted on: Jul 21, 2008 - 1:48pm
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Hi Will i read that same info on the collision Scott.
Scott J Hilliard.
Posted By: Scott J Hilliard | Posted on: Jul 21, 2008 - 1:52pm
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Kent, Forgive me for having a little chuckle when I read your statement stating that RS Boston may have been a Receivng ship that returned your dad to the states
RS Boston meant Receiving Station in Boston. It was the Fargo Buildong, If I remember correctly, it wasn't too far from South Station(railroad station)
When I was returned to the states for a leave, after my 30 days was up I was sent to Melville for a couple of days and then sent to the Fargo Building.
Much to my surprise, I had met some of the original crew from my boat that I was a replacement for.
The place was overflowing with PT sailors. I thought, OH Boy, I'm going to be here for quite some time. No such luck. The navy startted clearing outthese "boarders". I came aboard just before Christmas, I was there for only two months and then I got a free train ride to the receiving station in Shoemaker Calif.,..On ST Patrick's day I was about to get another free ride on a transport , while getting an Irish "Goodbye" from some navy band ashore playing Macnamara's Band as the crew was throwing off the lines that tied us to the dock. I set foot ashore in Ormoc, in the Philippines.
I hope this helps you in your quest for information.
Russ
kent, I got a little chuckle when I read your post stating that RS Bost
Posted By: Russell Pullano | Posted on: Jul 22, 2008 - 5:14pm
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I guess I goofed. It wasn't your Dd, but your Great Uncle.
Oh well, I was so excited that you brought great memories back to me that I goofed, sorry
Posted By: Russell Pullano | Posted on: Jul 22, 2008 - 5:18pm
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Kent, My dad, Ray Sparkman, was a skipper of PT-281 in RON23. Any chance you could send a copy of the diary my way? Thank you. Craig
craigsparkman@msn.com
Posted By: CSparkman | Posted on: Apr 21, 2010 - 1:31pm
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I am sorry I took so long getting back to this thread. My grandfather did not remember much about him at all....but they were in the same picture of the crew i have now after he has passed.
Posted By: patrick shipley | Posted on: May 29, 2015 - 6:49pm
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Photo of the crew of the 282 boat and a crew listing
Posted By: patrick shipley | Posted on: May 29, 2015 - 7:21pm
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And I would love a copy of that war diary for RON 23 as well. pship999@yahoo.com.
Posted By: patrick shipley | Posted on: May 29, 2015 - 7:24pm
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Pat;
go to www.fold3.com and get all the info available.
Take care
TED
Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: May 29, 2015 - 9:47pm
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A few days ago a new member ( Jeff H ) asked if I could recover a couple of photos from a previous post above. However, I found the Photobucket account where the photos were posted from wasn't our old one, but a separate private account. The post was about four years old and the poster hadn't been around for a while. I tried contacting him, and luckily got a response and a copy of the previous photos. They were of the crew of PT 282 - see below:
Posted By: Dick | Posted on: Jun 21, 2019 - 8:05am
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Dick
Thanks for taking time to contact Patrick and restore these pictures!! I need to try to figure out when and where these were taken. I know my uncle is in the first one but it would also be great to identify the other members of the crew. Nuge210 seems to have mentioned some info on other posts about RON 23 members, maybe he or some others can help fill in some of the blanks about the boats and men in RON 23. Enough rambling; again BIG THANKS Dick!!!
Thanks!
Jeff
Posted By: Jeff H | Posted on: Jun 21, 2019 - 10:22am
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Dick
Thanks for taking time to contact Patrick and restore these pictures!! I need to try to figure out when and where these were taken. I know my uncle is in the first one but it would also be great to identify the other members of the crew. Nuge210 seems to have mentioned some info on other posts about RON 23 members, maybe he or some others can help fill in some of the blanks about the boats and men in RON 23. Enough rambling; again BIG THANKS Dick!!!
Thanks!
Jeff
Posted By: Jeff H | Posted on: Jun 21, 2019 - 11:26am
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