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Forum Name: PT Boats - General
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Topic: PT 486
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Hello;

On behalf of Ron Sinn of Cape May, New Jersey and the owner of PT 486 I would like to share these images of Ron Sinn's progress on PT 486. Ron is restoring PT 486 to represent PT 109. These images were sent to me on December 18, 2008.

Thanks Don Shannon

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Donald Shannon

Posted By: Donald Shannon | Posted on: May 5, 2009 - 7:35am
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Wow!

Looks pretty darn good so far, particularly the charthouse and the hull...



Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: May 5, 2009 - 12:40pm
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Don;
She looks great!!! Ron still has a long way to go. What kind of engines will he be using? Does he have an estamated completion date?
take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: May 5, 2009 - 1:23pm
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Wow, nice. My hat's off to you Ron. Need a turret gunner?




Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 6, 2009 - 1:27am
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I call dibs on the 20mm...



Posted By: comcardiv1 | Posted on: May 6, 2009 - 10:02am
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I'll take the wheel (well, I had a lot of small-boat experience, years ago)...



Posted By: Drew Cook | Posted on: May 6, 2009 - 7:24pm
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Hello Ted:

Spoke to Ron today the 486 boat has two V-12 Detroit Diesel motors. He estimates he will be able to do about 25 knots. He hopes to have the boat in the water and underway by middle to late June that is if the rain ever lets up. He will do the best he can with the armament and hardware for now and probably improve it as he goes along.

Don


Donald Shannon

Posted By: Donald Shannon | Posted on: May 8, 2009 - 8:35am
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Don:

Super job thus far on the old gal. She really looks good. Ron has done an outstanding job, and I for one can't wait to see more. That sure looks like an original Bullnose on the Bow...........



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: May 8, 2009 - 11:43am
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Drew, you'd better double check the depression rail on the 20mm...




Posted By: Jeff D | Posted on: May 8, 2009 - 6:25pm
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Hi Don,
I would be really surprised if it could do 25 knots with 2 of those Detroit 3V12's. I say this from having seen the P520, an 85 foot AF Crash Rescue Boat powered located in Long Beach Ca and owned by Bud Tretter. He has installed those same engines and it tops out at about 18-20 knots. They are great engines but they arent that fast and they are also pretty heavy. I sure wish the 486 /109 could get some Packard V12's instead!
Jerry PT 658 Portland

Jerry Gilmartin

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: May 8, 2009 - 6:53pm
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Don, I have just now seen that you are a new member. I must have missed your initial post. Anyhow, WELCOME ABOARD. I'm sure you will be big plus with your presence. Nice job.

Russ Pullano



Posted By: Russell Pullano | Posted on: May 9, 2009 - 5:10am
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If not mistaken doesn't PT 728 have deisel engines in her. I don't think she moves too fast either. Jerry by the way, what's the top speed of PT 658 with the three Packards throbbing along.



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: May 9, 2009 - 8:44am
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Hi Frank, We had the 658 up to 33.5 knots but we have made some improvements this spring and think she will go faster this coming June. We are planning to take her out by the last week of May for an engine test. The work on replacing the charthouse is almost completed. I am hoping for 40 knots. I will let you know when we take her out. Jerry

Jerry Gilmartin

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: May 9, 2009 - 10:21pm
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Jerry

Please when you do, have someone standing by with a Video Camera, so we can see this moment. To see one traveling at almost top speed would be the best thing since Mom's apple pie. By the way, what were you guys doing with the charthouse..........



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: May 10, 2009 - 4:57am
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Hi Frank,
We started poking around with a flat tip screwdriver and discovered several key parts of the framework of the charthouse had dry rotted. So we decided at a recent board meeting (Feb 2009) to go ahead and tear it out and rebuild the charthouse from the deck up using mahogany and the original blueprints. This time around, we are sealing all the new wood with Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealant and also using West Systems marine epoxy glue to join the frame. Hopefully, this will prevent any future dry rot from occurring. We saved all possible original wood and re-used what pieces we could save. We expect to have the charthouse rebuild completed by the last week of May. Visit our web site [url] http://www.savetheptboatinc.com/[/url] and visit the Winter-Spring 2009 pictures page to see the latest photos. Jerry

Jerry Gilmartin

Posted By: Jerry Gilmartin | Posted on: May 11, 2009 - 9:35am
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Jerry

In looking at the photo's there is no doubt that this is a pretty big job. The upkeep and care for a wooden boat is never ending. Along those lines, today's products do a wonderful job in sealing wood, and keeping out moisture and water. I am sure she will look even better when completed. May I ask what purpose the wings served on the boat. Also, what do you guys apply on the guns to keep them from rusting. Don't forget my never ending question about producing a Video of the boat, which you never answer when I ask (lol)..................



Posted By: Frank J Andruss Sr | Posted on: May 11, 2009 - 12:03pm
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Hi Don,
I would be really surprised if it could do 25 knots with 2 of those Detroit 3V12's. I say this from having seen the P520, an 85 foot AF Crash Rescue Boat powered located in Long Beach Ca and owned by Bud Tretter. He has installed those same engines and it tops out at about 18-20 knots. They are great engines but they arent that fast and they are also pretty heavy. I sure wish the 486 /109 could get some Packard V12's instead!
Jerry PT 658 Portland

Jerry Gilmartin

Hi Jerry! I know this is an old post and Ron no longer owns the boat. I did visit the boat up in Kingston this past June 2017. She needs a lot more work now and those poor old 12v71's are not going to be doing work anytime soon.

However, I am just going to add that when I sailed on the boat in 1979 when it was the Sightseer, we would actually race against Ronnie Sinn with his Big Flamingo (Quad 12v71's in the Big Flamingo).

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Full out with us pushing the governors wide open, we logged 23.5 knots against the Flamingo! (Even with nearly 125 people onboard!) Those Elco's sure did know how to move on the water. Of course the Sightseer was built for speed as a planing hull while the Big Flamingo was not.

It is important to note, the engines on the Sightseer were not located all the way aft like the Packards. The 12v71's were installed were the gas tanks would have been.

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Former crew member of the Big Blue Sightseer ex-PT 486

Posted By: mcgovern61 | Posted on: Aug 1, 2017 - 7:45pm
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I would like to add a piece of information that doesn't seem to show up anywhere else. The PT-486 Elco Hull Number is 3533.

Former crew member of the Big Blue Sightseer ex-PT 486

Posted By: mcgovern61 | Posted on: Aug 1, 2017 - 8:09pm
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Hello,


Well if they do make the S.O.S. PT109 movie, here's one for in the leading role!

Bill P Reese

Posted By: billpr | Posted on: Aug 2, 2017 - 2:54pm
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Gerry;
The complete list of 80' ELCO hull numbers is in ALLIED COASTAL FORCES VOL II
by John Lambert and Al Ross II.
For example : PT 486 as you stated was ELCO Hull Number 3533. PT 557 is/was ELCO Hull Number 3326.
PT 557 keel was laid on 3 JUL 43, launched on 18 SEP 43 and was placed in service with RON 29 on 30 OCT 43.
PT 486 keel was laid 27 JUL 43, launched on 16 OCT 43 and was placed in service with RON 4 on 2 DEC 43.
So as you can see the hull numbers were not always in sequential order with the USN PT hull number. It really gets crazy from 731-760 because all their ELCO hull numbers are before the 565 series. Example: PT 760 is 3622 and PT 565 is 3623
Take care,
TED



Posted By: TED WALTHER | Posted on: Aug 2, 2017 - 8:39pm
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