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Topic: WHAT WAS THE TRUE COLOR PAINT JOB ON THE 109 |
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tngapch
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Posted on: Nov 13, 2007 - 3:16pm
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You mentioned that you have footage of what you believe is PT149 underway? Is there any way that I could get a copy from you? Or could you point me in the right direction for acquiring this footage? My grandfather served on PT149 and would love to see this.
Jenni
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Drew Cook
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Posted on: Nov 14, 2007 - 5:52pm
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Jenni,
The piece of color film footage I mentioned that I think may be a green PT 149 underway is about a 10-second clip on a The History Channel series titled "History's Raiders," the particular segment of which is titled "PT Boats in the Pacific 1942-1945."
I've seen it broadcast only once, when I taped it onto VHS video tape. I've played that part of the tape so many times that the tape now glitches badly when the green PT comes onscreen. It would be useless to try to get it copied, the quality is so bad.
I tracked down the parent company that provides these documentaries to THC. They quite handily have a list of all their programs, and also quite enthusiastically state that you can purchase the programs on DVD, and give the email of their contact person to get in touch with to buy the DVDs.
Unfortunately, when I emailed the contact person, I found that "History's Raiders: PT Boats in the Pacific 1942-1945" apparently wasn't one of their many programs available for purchase on DVD. When I sent another email to this contact person, stating how valuable this program was with it's piece of color PT footage, and requesting it be made available on DVD, she did not reply at all - refusing to address my request, in essence.
Here's their website address -- good luck.
historytvdocumentaries.com
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tngapch
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Posted on: Nov 15, 2007 - 6:05am
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Thanks!
If anything I wonder if I could get a petition going with some of the vets in my area - I can think of others (besides my grandfather) who would love to view this. There are a plethora of retired servicemen (and a few women) nearby. Living near an air force base does have its uses.
Thanks again for the information!
Jenni
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Will Day
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Posted on: Nov 15, 2007 - 7:53am
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Jenni: I have a History Channel VHS called "PT-RAIDS". I'll take a look and see if it is the same one Drew is talking about.
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Will Day
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Posted on: Nov 18, 2007 - 10:48am
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Jenni: I have three PT-themed shows released at various times by The History Channel, including PT RAIDS. There is some color footage in all of them, but the quality of the original footage is so poor that it is really impossible to draw much of a conclusion at to specific colors other than "gray" or "green". I guess that just reinforces the idea that we will never have a definitive answer as to what exact shades were used on some of the early boats.
I have seven or eight additional PT tapes; I'll check them when I get the chance. Interestingly enough, some of the best color reproduction seems to be in shots of the really early Ron 1 and 2 boats.
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Posted on: Nov 18, 2007 - 3:01pm
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FRANK;
FROM MAY 1943 ON PT 109 WAS NAVY GREEN. I HAVE COLOR PHOTOS OF PT 61 (TAKEN BY THEN PT 61 SKIPPER ENS. KEN PRESCOTT)AT SEARLESVILLE, RUSSELL ISLANDS, AND THE BOAT NEXT TO HER IS AN ELCO 80 FOOTER, THE COLOR OF BOTH BOATS IS THE SAME IN THE PHOTO(JFK'S SECOND BOAT, PT 59 WAS ALSO THE SAME COLOR). I ESTIMATE THE PHOTO TO HAVE BEEN TAKEN AROUND JUNE- JULY 1943, AS 109 DID PATROLS OUT OF THE RUSSELLS DURING THIS TIME FRAME BEFORE MOVING UP IN LATE JULY-EARLY AUGUST 1943 TO RENDOVA. I AM ALMOST POSITIVE(95%) THE BOAT IN THE PHOTO IS 109. SHE WAS THE ONLY RON TWO 80 FOOTER OPERATIONAL IN THIS AREA DURING THE TIME FRAME OF THE PHOTO. PLUS KEN HAS TOLD ME HE USUALLY MOORED NEXT TO JFK AND 109.
ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPHIC POINT, IN THE FAMOUS JFK IN THE COCKPIT PHOTO, IF YOU LOOK YOU WILL SEE THE CABIN OF AN ELCO 77 FOOTER IN THE BACKROUND. WELL IF YOU COMPARE THAT PHOTO, WITH MY COLOR ONES OF 61, AND NOTICE THINGS LIKE THE POSITION OF THE 77 FOOTER AS OPPOSED TO JFK'S 109(LOOK AT DECK FITTINGS, CABIN POSITION, ETC) YOU WILL COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT PT 61 IS THAT BOAT IN THE BACKROUND OF THE JFK PHOTO. WITH THAT IN MIND, THE JFK PHOTO WAS TAKEN AT SEARLESVILLE, NOT TULAGI AS THE BOOK STATES. I AM CURRENTLY ON DEPLOYMENT AND THE PHOTOS ARE AT HOME
AS FOR HOBBY PAINTS, LOOK FOR FS 34102 IS CLOSE TO NAVY GREEN NG-5. TESTORS MODEL MASTER B-1713 /S-1913(B FOR BOTTLE/S FOR SPRAY. .
TAKE CARE AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING,
TED
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tngapch
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Posted on: Nov 19, 2007 - 6:49am
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Will: Thanks again. It isn't so much to see the color of the boats as it is to have something that my grandfather would greatly enjoy. And the 149 was his boat, so that seemed an added bonus.
I've sent an email to the lady mentioned in the post above and seem to be getting some sort of asssitance from her - doesn't seem to keen to help me but I keep pestering so I'm making a bit of headway.
Thanks again for the info - it is greatly appreciated!
Jenni
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FRANK |
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Posted on: Nov 19, 2007 - 7:34am
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AHOY THERE TED-
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE DETAILED REPLY TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION CONCERNING THE COLOR OF PT 109.
MANY THANKS ALSO FOR THE FS NUMBERS ON THE MODEL PAINTS AS WELL. WELL DONE!
FRANK RYCZEK, JR.
MODELER/FRIEND RON 10 PT-169 "ZEBRA SNAFU"
HIGH TIDES ALWAYS!
YOUR FRIEND THROUGH SCALE SHIP MODELING AND PT BOAT HISTORY! |
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David Waples
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Posted on: Nov 19, 2007 - 8:07pm
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Greetings Ted,
1st best of luck with your deployment wherever you may be. When you return we would love to see that photo. It may resolve one of our great PT mysteries.
Dave
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David Waples
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Posted on: Nov 20, 2007 - 9:20pm
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Here's a site I found with what claims to be a photo of PT-109 prior to Kennedy. Guess what, no mast. For those of you who know me I've made this observation for some time now through previous known photos of this boat. Give it a look....
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geocities.com/pt_king/PT109Tassafaronga2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.geocities.com/pt_king/PT109-3.html&h=318&w=492&sz=33&hl=en&start=2&sig2=TOomsPvsXg-3zjatH757aQ&tbnid=OsNj3XBiH_A3jM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=130&ei=Zr9DR-aGL9DCiwHc0d2zCw&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPT-109%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-43,GGLG:en%26sa%3DN
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