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Frank J Andruss Sr
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 Posted on: May 6, 2017 - 12:27pm
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Great models but the only ones that would question anything on these builds are the rivet counters. The average person that views these PT BOAT models have no clue about the boats let along all of the changes being made by the model builders. I know one of the best builders out there in my friend Stan Pienkowski and even he doesn't rivet count, the reason he says: it would take me so long to do a model I would lose interest in building them.
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Bob Steinbrunn
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Posted on: May 6, 2017 - 12:42pm
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Hi Frank,
I suppose I'm a rivet counter but I do it out of fun and interest rather than an obsession. I spent 4 1/2 years on a 1/192 Fletcher-class destroyer, 4 1/2 years on Gloucester clipper fishing schooner, and so on. I don't mind the time at all since I have a secret.
I went online to http://www.liveforever.com, registered, paid my fees, then simply adjusted my life expectancy to 175 years. All online! Now I have all the time in the world to spend on models.....
Cheers!
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Jeff D
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Posted on: May 6, 2017 - 5:17pm
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I don't understand the disheartening negativity towards those wishing to build an exceptional model. Put an out of the box flat topped Italeri boat next to one like Stu's in front of an "average person" and see which one they are truly impressed with. Although I'd guess most exceptional modelers build as a labor of love to please themselves not others.
I not only count rivets bolts screws etc, I downloaded fastener mfgs spec drawings to make sure I get them as right as I can. I don't care if anyone thinks it's excessive and now I can pass at least the larger fine details on, to those doing the truly impressive physical modeling, through 3D printing.
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Capt Speirs
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Posted on: May 6, 2017 - 7:16pm
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I don't understand the disheartening negativity towards those wishing to build an exceptional model. Put an out of the box flat topped Italeri boat next to one like Stu's in front of an "average person" and see which one they are truly impressed with. Although I'd guess most exceptional modelers build as a labor of love to please themselves not others.
I not only count rivets bolts screws etc, I downloaded fastener mfgs spec drawings to make sure I get them as right as I can. I don't care if anyone thinks it's excessive and now I can pass at least the larger fine details on, to those doing the truly impressive physical modeling, through 3D printing.
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and that, Jeff, is precisely the difference between a kit builder and a modeler. I prefer to see myself as a modeler, I enjoy the research often more than the kit itself. Nothing wrong with building a kit straight out of the box, I just find it boring. Yes it takes longer to model with accuracy and what is the hurry? I have learned so much about PT Boats and their history that it now has me looking at a Fletcher Class next.
Of course I will probably finish my Italeri Schnellboot and Revell 72 scale VIIC first...or not.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: May 7, 2017 - 3:45am
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I stopped building back in the late 80s but was always an out of the box builder. I could sometimes tell when things were grossly off but other than making flash and seams disappear and laying on a smooth coat of paint on that's the way it stayed. With the internet letting us view what truly talented modelers can do, I try to give PT modelers accurate details so that they can decide how far to take it.
I don't feel that what I do now with my electronic models is in the same league although I do put a lot of research in and avoid "close enough" with a passion. But you guys going the extra mile building really nice physical models is greatly appreciated, keep up the fine work please! It helps keep the flame of interest in PT boats alive.
Anyone want a large box of partly built models? There's a half built Lindberg 109 kit in there! :D
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Daniele Klay
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Posted on: May 7, 2017 - 4:41am
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Jeff, for my part I can only repeat that your CAD(art)work was the igniting spark for my project,and I guess it was the same for many others. Keep up the most excellent work
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Bob Steinbrunn
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Posted on: May 7, 2017 - 7:00am
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and that, Jeff, is precisely the difference between a kit builder and a modeler. I prefer to see myself as a modeler, I enjoy the research often more than the kit itself. Nothing wrong with building a kit straight out of the box, I just find it boring. Yes it takes longer to model with accuracy and what is the hurry? I have learned so much about PT Boats and their history that it now has me looking at a Fletcher Class next.
Of course I will probably finish my Italeri Schnellboot and Revell 72 scale VIIC first...or not.
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I say "not". My 1/192 Fletcher-class DD USS Kidd started as a BlueJacket Ship Crafters kit, again designed by Sensei Al Ross. Took 4 1/2 years and 2026 hours and incorporates 14,226 parts. See? I'm not only a rivet counter, but I count years, hours, and parts as well. 
I do all this just for me....not to impress anyone, not to win competitions (although the Kidd has done well in this regard), but because of the journey. The journey is the goal, not the destination. I've learned so much about destroyers, been on board the USS Cassin Young in Boston, and have met so many helpful and outstanding folks that the time was well spent. I agree with the Captain.....out-of-the-box is fine. You build a lot more that way......but if you travel the rivet-counting way...you'll learn so much more.
Here's to all those of you who contribute so much to this forum!
Cheers!
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Stuart Hurley
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Posted on: May 7, 2017 - 9:36am
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Bob,
The magazine article does not lie, that is absolutely awesome.
Best Regards,
Stu.
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Stuart Hurley
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Posted on: May 7, 2017 - 9:43am
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Jeff,
Your 3D modelling is a skill just like 'physical' modelling and is just as important the way the hobby is going. The research you have carried out is enabling us old glue sniffers to turn out accurate work , so keep it up. Thanks.
Best Regards,
Stu.
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alross2 |
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Posted on: May 7, 2017 - 10:02am
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Didn't have anything to do with the KIDD kit, Bob. That was designed by Allan Baker back in the 1980s. Allen owned the Ship Model Shop and built a lot of models for the Navy. He did a number of 1960s era destroyers in 1/250, as well, and we still have the molds for those fittings.
Looks like you're getting the hang of modeling...
Al Ross
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