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Jeff D
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 Posted on: Mar 11, 2017 - 3:05am
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I was going to make a Walthers PP caliber joke but decided not to mention it.
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Will Day
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Posted on: Mar 11, 2017 - 6:11pm
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Incorrigible...
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Dick
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Posted on: Mar 12, 2017 - 6:38am
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The Walther PP & PPK's were made in various calibers. One PP model was made during WWII in .22 cal long rifle (.22LR) chamber size. While others were in or 6.35mm auto (.25 ACP) or 7.65x17mm Auto or 9x17mm (.380 ACP)
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Frank J Andruss Sr
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Posted on: Mar 12, 2017 - 10:14am
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Thanks Dick I thought I had heard they used the .22 ammo, see I'm not losing my mind Will.
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Drew Cook
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Posted on: Mar 12, 2017 - 1:44pm
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I stand corrected (or more accurately, educated)!
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Mar 13, 2017 - 6:17am
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Gents;
While I could have told you that Walther PP 9, PP 10, PPK/E, PPK/S, and PPK/L had .22 variants, these were post war models. Walther didn't issue military .22 cal models. Theywere issued to Non military organizations like the NSDAP. The Heer(Army) and Kreigsmarine used the S.E. L. f. P08 for .22lr training purposes.
Oh BTW, Walther also currently makes a .22 cal UZI(copy) semi auto:
But, Why are we talking about German Weapons?
As for US weapons the Spingfield rifles found there way into PT weapons load outs, and I also remember reading of a .22 cal weapon issued in an Air Crew Survival kit, but I don't know the type or year of issue.
Take care,
TED
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 13, 2017 - 8:53am
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A story mentioning .22's written by Master Chief Jack Duncan, retired, who served as torpedoman on PT 103 from 1943 to 1944. Jack also served on PT 62 and PT 318:
This is a tale from an island far, far away at a time long, long ago.
Specifically, Stirling Island in what is now the nation of the Solomon Islands. Food was very, very scarce and monotonous as our little, blue plywood warships, actually just overgrown speedboats, tied up to the trees in one of several inlet arms. We could rest there, rearm and refuel before going out to beard the Imperial Japanese Navy and Army in their own lairs. The trees provided cover from the constant air raids with Jap planes hoping to smash our puny onslaught against them.
We were all in danger of contracting scurvy with the shortage of nourishing, fresh food, so the cooks on our boat, a guy named Larson, a Ship’s Cook First Class, decided to build us a stew. France, Ship’s Cook Third Class, who was his helper, were really not doing much as belly-robbers or stew burners otherwise. They were included in the crew mostly to man the guns. The PT Base, was it 9 (?), was supposed to feed us after we had trekked through the jungle and after we had dipped our mess kits in a boiling, 55-gallon drum of disinfectant.
Now, the PT-103 for some odd Bureau of Ships reason had in its equipage a couple of .22 rifles down in the armory just behind the wardroom. And flocks of white parrots or perhaps cockatoos lived in the trees we were hiding under. Parrot stew it would be, so a couple of us began harvesting the birds. They would land and they would die.
Finally, we had collected enough so that with some withered vegetables begged from a nearby seaplane tender, we kids could feast right there on the boat. We had to be very careful to avoid the tiny bones. The beautiful birds filled our empty bellies and we enjoyed a respite from corned willy, meat and vegetable stew ration and whatever that was in cans labeled as Vienna sausage.
Later, our diet became largely coconut as those three entrees became unbearable. Ripe coconut like you can buy in a supermarket. blue coconut with a Jello-like substance and overripe coconuts containing a palm tree bud that became our salad.
Little did we know that shark was delicious and even octopus tastes great. The word was out that most of the tropical ocean’s denizens were poisonous!
For some still-unfathomable reason the Navy always provided canned grapefruit juice for us to be forced to drink, also to prevent scurvy. A canteen cup of that was used to wash down the daily Atabrine tablet that was supposed to prevent malaria. If the Supply wienies managed to get that vile stuff to us, we called it battery acid, why didn’t we get better or at least a larger variety of food?
The point? To this day, no grapefruit and no coconut. Now, I haven’t tried parrot stew of late . . . . . . .
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Dick
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Posted on: Mar 13, 2017 - 10:27am
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The Walther PP chamber in .22LR was produced in 1938. My dear old friend (84 now) was a gunsmith for over 60 years and had a collection of 9 Walther semi-auto pistols. As he told me as of this morning one of his .22 Walther's was indeed manufactured in1938 - that would make it PRE-War! They continue post war adding more model lines in that caliber.
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Mar 13, 2017 - 10:45am
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Dick;
"Walther didn't issue military .22 cal models. They were issued to Non military organizations like the NSDAP. The Heer(Army) and Kreigsmarine used the S.E. L. f. P08 for .22lr training purposes. "
But how does this relate to PT Boats? And RON 3 ammo alotment?
Take care,
TED
P.S. you can put the red flag next to my name again, oh great one
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Mar 13, 2017 - 10:45am
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From a cabin arrangement drawing for PT 103-196 and 314-367. The rifle rack is listed as for PT 103-186:
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