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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Dec 29, 2015 - 3:54pm
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Jeff(JBG327)
Here you go.....there is ALOT of photos, on all subjects WW2, but a lot about Med ground war. Go to photos then albums.
https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/?fref=photo
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Posted on: Dec 29, 2015 - 5:34pm
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Here is the photo Will and I were mentioning and a few more.
PT 116 at dock, showing sharks mouth.
PT 116 at dock Tulagi, photo taken from next boat.
PT 116 RON 6 underway July 1943, photographed from U.S.S. Nicholas (DD 449). I think I can just see a painted eye on the port bow.(I just received this copy from Gene, it is much clearer and larger. What I thought was the painted eye is actually light between the towing pennant and the hull. updated:12/30/2015).
RON 6 Officers: ENS. Dick North(PT 117 CO, later PT 187 CO),LT. Craig Smith(PT 126 CO, RON 6 Exec 2/1/43), LT. Clark Faulkner (PT 124 CO,RON 6 Exec, RON 6 CO 2/1/43), ENS. Bartholomew "Bart" Connolly (PT 115 CO). LTjg Billups Percy(PT 118 CO). In foreground, ENS. Alexander "Alex" Wells(PT116 CO) LTjg. Clark "Chip" Murray (PT 125 CO).
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Dec 30, 2015 - 6:01am
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Thanks Ted, I see you broke down and registered on FB.
I'm not sure of the right term for it Drew, but it's the vertical post with the notch on top the officer has his thumb on in the photo captioned Officer at the wheel of another 80 ELCO.
I dunno Drew, the tops of the throttle knobs look to be in the right place to me, about level with the top of the bulkhead:
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Drew Cook
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Posted on: Dec 30, 2015 - 6:44am
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OK, but...my point is, the portion of the bulkhead aft of the Ron 6 officer's wrist goes straight back, instead of rising to the higher...height usually seen.
That higher bulkhead, sometimes called the splinter shield or the splash shield, the part inboard aft of the end of the port side of the plexiglass windshield (or its wooden or metal replacement), seems to be missing...its usually about shoulder-high, or just a tad lower, in its unaltered state.
In Jeff's great CAD view of the cockpit, the port bulkhead can be seen to rise significantly inboard at, and aft, of the post of the windshield's outboard attachment point, standard for 80' Elcos.
I have seen other photos of that part of the bulkhead cut way down or off, but usually on later-war boats.
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TED WALTHER |
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Posted on: Dec 30, 2015 - 7:14am
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Drew;
Here is another photo during the same time period,
LT. Lester Gamble(at wheel), TM 1/C Stephen Lott(Right, bare chest), and who might be Gamble's Exec. LTjg. Sid Rabekoff(left), behind the torpedo director/sight. On a RON 2 80' ELCO(maybe PT 110 which Gamble used for patrols on a few occasions).
Notice the height of Gamble, standing on back armor plate bench seat.
Another item of interest is the two (what looks like) porcelain insulators fixed to cabin, where boat number usually was. look closer and it looks like a wire is heading off to starboard and the other is going to the radio antenna to port.
I never have seen this before. Any ideas???
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Drew Cook
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Posted on: Dec 30, 2015 - 7:47am
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Ted,
I seem to remember that someone in the past had speculated that the boat in the photo of Gamble in the cockpit might possibly have been the 109, which apparently he also took out on some patrols, and the insulators and wires were part of the primitive and temporary radar setup that boat had early on.
Someone also commented on the seemingly "squared" shape of the radio antenna and it's missing rain guard on that boat in the photo, which resembled the "squared" look and missing rain guard of the antenna of the 109 in the JFK-in-the-cockpit photos, the removed binnacle on the charthouse, and the heat-induced sagging of the painted-over plexiglass windshield.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Dec 30, 2015 - 10:24am
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That's the armor plate that sticks up to the top of the windshield Drew, the actual bulkhead was the same height as the starboard one on the early 80s. It makes the bulkhead look very low when the armor plate is gone like in this shot of PT 127: http://www.pt127.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Crewman_Bridge2.jpg. After the armor-less experimental 20mm turret boats seen on the White Plains, they added a higher structure (called armor plate replacement in the PT 163-196 drawings) to the top of the bulkhead that was about the same height as the armor and windshield.
So I think in that shot, the officer is standing on the step with his hand resting on top of the armor and windshield. You can see the top cap of the bulkhead at the base of the windshield. That would make this likely to be one of the earlier boats with armor, somewhere between PT 103-150.
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Drew Cook
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Posted on: Dec 30, 2015 - 11:48am
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Jeff,
OK, I hear 'ya...but it still looks cut down to me, unless that officer is standing really high on the helm platform or rear cockpit armor step, which I guess he is. Guess its just a matter of my perspective.
I was always uncomfortable with Robert J. Donovan's description in his book "PT 109 - John F. Kennedy in World War II" of that port cockpit armor as being "head-high," when in reality it was closer to shoulder-high, for someone standing on the helm platform or flat on the deck, depending on their height.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Dec 30, 2015 - 2:08pm
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Well put Drew. The top of the windshield / armor / bulkhead was about 5' above deck, so if a 6' 6" crewman was standing on a 5" tall helmsman's platform the top of the bulkhead would look a lot shorter than a 5' 6" crewman standing on the early 1 1/2" rubber mat.
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Posted on: Dec 30, 2015 - 8:52pm
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Drew;
Its either 110 or 109, as 111(2/1/43) and 112(1/11/43) were destroyed by the time of this photo. Late Feb- March 1943 so you might be right about the radar as I have never seen these things mounted on another boat. PT 109 did its second test period with the SCR-521 radar unit in March 1943.
I wonder if Mr. Larson would have remembered what these two little things were.....
These porcelain looking insulators are also not evident on PT 28 RON 1 which had early SCR-521 aircraft radar (or in Navy Speak : ASE).
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