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Bob Butler
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Posted on: Apr 12, 2013 - 7:45am
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Stuart, I have an extra if you want it, it's free. rbbutler@frontier.com
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Stuart Hurley
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Posted on: Apr 12, 2013 - 8:25am
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Hi, Bob,
Mail incoming.
Best Regards,
Stu.
Measure twice, cut once.
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Bob Butler
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Posted on: Apr 12, 2013 - 9:23pm
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I'm almost embarrassed to post this. Big Realisation tonight. Havn't seen PT 109 the movie in years. The turquoise green they painted the boats wasn't because of the foliage on the islands, it was the color of the water. Am I the only one.
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Drew Cook
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Posted on: Apr 13, 2013 - 2:47pm
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Bob,
The three "PT" boats (converted 85' Air/Sea Rescue Crash Boats) in the movie "PT 109" were painted gray, not green.
It seems many people, over the years, have thought they were green, particularly due to a photo of the "109" from the film that's been circulating on the internet for quite some time (in which the boat does look sort of green), but...
Watch the DVD of the film on a good color-adjusted TV. They're gray, a color most people used to call "Navy" gray. Just what actual official Navy shade or measure of gray, I couldn't say.
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Bob Butler
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Posted on: Apr 13, 2013 - 3:36pm
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Bob Butler
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I guess my last post wasn't clear. The real 109 and some of the others were painted with a turquoise shade of paint that was mixed on the spot. It occured to me after looking at some of the senes in the movie and having looked at some other I'd seen in photos, that is the the color of the ocean in many locations there and that is the camo effect that was trying to be achieved. I was thinking the camo on the boats were painted to blend in with the foliage on the land and I realized I was wrong. It was fun to watch the movie and see the detail they went to , like the hand rails on the dayroom and the sheilds above the engine room hatch. Then looking at the errors like the clean plexie glass windshields and the placement of the forward turret, to that of a late model Elco. Those guys really did a fantastic conversion on what they had to work with. The only down side I got that damn tune they kept playing stuck in my head over and over and over again.
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Drew Cook
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Posted on: Apr 13, 2013 - 5:19pm
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Sorry Bob,
Thought you were talking about the movie boats being green.
I most certainly wouldn't ever call the green color (real) PTs -- especially the early 80' Elcos of the Guadalcanal/Russells/Rendova period --were painted "turquoise." As far as I've ever seen, read or heard about, they went from a dark "forest"green, like the boat (maybe the 109) to starboard of the 61 in those color photos, to a lighter, sun-faded olive green (like Bridge Carney's model of the 157 )-- but hardly "turquoise."
And -- the boats were painted green to camouflage them in the bushes along the shoreline during the day, not to match the color of the water.
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David Waples
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Posted on: Apr 13, 2013 - 6:54pm
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Here's another photo of PT-109 on the port side of PT-61. This picture is from the Prescott collection. This shows a glimpse of PT-109 in the light rather than in the shade. Notice how faded the deck is in this photo.
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Bob Butler
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Posted on: Apr 13, 2013 - 7:18pm
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US Navy Tropical Green is a turquoise, I read the acounts of Forrest Green Whatever that is. There are also accounts of the boat being Tropical Green, Dark Gray, Dark Green. etc The green I see in the color photos to me look like a green /gray. and that's what I see in the color photos of the PT on the starboard side of PT 61. PT 61 is gray. I shouldn't have brought up turquoise but that is how I got the color that looks good to me (1:1 Tropical Green and Deck Gray). Light really effects this mix. If the light is just right the greeh hue has an almost turquoise effect with the gray. My photos don't show the true color as seen in person. This color can match the ocean in places and US Navy Tropical Green matches the color of the ocean in the South Pacific in many places and that is what my realization was. Sorry for my use of terms, this whole thing is confussing enough with out me balbbing through it. Any way that's what I'm going with and I hope to show the boat off in some shows this summer. Reno will be one.
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=4721&start=320
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David Waples
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Posted on: Apr 13, 2013 - 10:36pm
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This is one of those topics that will make us all crazy. :-) Tropical Green System from what I've been told is not an "official" Navy color. It was a field creation of Zinc Chromate (which is a yellowish green not to be confused with aircraft interior green) and 5-TMa Tinting Paste which is a black or blackish blue color. I mixed zinc chromate and black together and I got something similar to 5-NG. It's a long ways from turquoise. It's a color exclusive to PT Boats in the South Pacific. If somebody can show me something different I'm all ears.
White Ensign Models put out a paint they called "Tropical Green" but it was a guess and not close to the colors we see in the color photographs. It does look turquoise in color.
I found what did look good was taking 4 parts of 5-NG and 1 part WEM Tropical Green. That's just me playing around but it does look just like the photos. Here's a photo of the Revell 109 boat I finished a few years back with this mixture.
This photo shows the Tropical Green color created n the field.
Here is a very nice PT-109 model made by Martyn Robey using WEM Tropical Green.
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David Buck
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 Posted on: Apr 14, 2013 - 1:06am
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Ouch! I don't want to wade in on the colour of the boats as its clear that what one person sees another will not!
However the water around and close to the Islands appears green because of the closeness to the surface of the coral reefs, beyond the reef edge the water is generaly fairly deep and there the water is a deep rich blue.
If you can't go there to see this log on to google earth and check out the south pacific the colours are faily true, but nothing beats seeing it for yourself.
Or for that matter the flying fish and the dolphins being on the water out there gives one goosebumps when you know the history of the islands.
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