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 Author  Topic: Early PT Boat Green- (PT-109) Some ideas.........
Jerry Beasley

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David,
Roberto at Royal has 1/35 scale mops which I believe were shown in his beautiful PT diorama. That would be an interesting subject to show the boat being painted by the crew tied up next to a dock or a secluded lagoon somewhere in the Pacific.

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of alross2   Send Email To alross2 Posted on: Nov 24, 2012 - 1:48pm
What about 1/35 paint??

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David Waples

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of David Waples  Posted on: Nov 24, 2012 - 4:26pm
Good idea Jerry. So Al, are we going to have a discussion scaling effect now. :-)
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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of alross2   Send Email To alross2 Posted on: Nov 25, 2012 - 11:35am
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So Al, are we going to have a discussion scaling effect now. :-)



Nah.


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Tracy White

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Hey guys... most of you probably don't know me, but to throw something new at you, let me start by saying I'm a WWII researcher with a heavy interest in USN camouflage.

In January of 1943 the Navy added the Tropical Green System to the list of possibilities to the Pacific Fleet. This used Zinc Chromate primer mixed with black to get a dark green. The next month, the manufacturer of the green tinting material used to make the greens (Navy Green, Ocean Green, etc.) was ordered in a limited run at Norfolk Navy Yard, which was responsible at the time for most of the paint manufacture for units based or building on the East Coast. I don't know how fast this paint would have been built up in stocks and shipped out to the South Pacific - odds are it was either manufactured at Mare Island Navy Yard or other commercial vendors on the West Coast. I went through the Bureau of Ships camouflage files for PTs about a month and a half ago and there was nothing about when such stocks arrived. There was a short memo from COM MTB RONS SOPACFOR dated May 3, 1943 stating Best color scheme non specular tropical green or mottled tropical green and brown to blend with jungle background primarily mangrove, and a request from the same comment on April 28th, request all PT boats destined south pacific be painted non specular green.

For what it's worth... the view from the top (BuShips)

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David Waples

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Welcome to the board Tracy and thank you for posting the information on the tropical green system formula. Not that it would be the same but I'll have to experiment with some yellow chromate and black to see what I can come up with. If it works out I'll share the results.
Dave

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Was at a Great Home Store (hardware store) today getting a new florescent light fixture with two daylight type tubes and I saw a spray can of Krylon Satin Green paint that looks to be a pretty good match for a South Pacific boat. It's close enough for me and the $6.29 price for 340 grams is lot better tan the price for a comparable amount of Testor's spray can paint. The Testor's cans only contain 85 grams of paint and they cost $7.99 at the not so local hobby shop.

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Matthew Waki

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As part of my research into “famous” PTs (please see my post in the “PT 109 Deck Log” thread) I was very interested in the 109’s color. The first individuals I was able to contact were PT 109 author Robert J. Donovan, 109 crew member Gerard Zinser, and actor Cliff Robertson. I wanted to talk to Mr. Robertson to get insight into the movie boats’ colors vs. the actual 109. This was back in 2000 before they each passed away. I also contacted several PT boaters who were stationed at Tulagi when PT 109 was there. I got their addresses from Alyce Guthrie after she acted as a go between and obtained permission for me to write them. I’m going to include all the details when I go to print next year. There is far too much to post in the forum but since everyone here is going to get started on their Italeri kits I thought I’d pass on some color research in advance.

Since I grew up during the PT 109 craze of the early 1960‘s Mr. Donovan, Mr. Robertson, and Mr. Zinser were amazing to communicate with. But not surprisingly one of the many other PT boaters I contacted was the one who was able to provide a first hand color reference to the 109. I don’t want to post his name here but will include it and more details when I go to print. Unlike many of the veterans I spoke to and corresponded with this individual was very sharp when I interviewed him in 2001. Talking to him on the phone and reading his words you would never guess his age. He could remember PT 109’s green because his boat was painted the same green at the same time.

I was able to verify his recollection by cross referencing his memories with PT 109‘s and his boat’s deck logs. The dates match. I sent him a panel of 35 color swatches ranging from yellow-green to blue-green and tertiary olives so he could choose which one was the closest. I was going to post an image of the color panel but decided it is pointless to expect the color to match on everyone’s monitors. I think I’d just cause more problems by putting it up.

To describe the color it is about half way between 5-OG Ocean Green and 5-NG Navy Green when comparing it to the Snyder & Short Enterprises 1943 Early Greens paint chips. It is slightly more olive but it has a distinct green cast, not olive. Since I am self-publishing my book I will include color swatches so a printed reference will be available.

As an aside, I also sent patches to determine the greens of early Solomon campaign boats to several other PT boat veterans as part of my research into other boats. The early greens were distinctly more bright green compared to those applied to the 109.

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David Waples

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Hi Matt,
Thanks for sharing your research and posting. Ted Walther shared some color photos of PT-61 which was tied up alongside PT-109 and other boats which were painted the same color you described. I pulled out my Snyder & Short reference paint chips and looked at the two colors you suggested. Here's a reference photo that I believe backs up what you're saying and the experience of Ted Walther's friend, Mr. Prescott.

If you search "PT-61" on this site you'll find more photos but this one I organized speaks directly to paint.

Dave


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Jeff D

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Dec 3, 2012 - 4:45am
Peter, from what I've read good model paints are made with finer ground pigments than all purpose type paints so that they can cover with a thinner coat and not obscure small details. Like covering a floor with a layer of sand vs a layer of pebbles, to completely hide the floor only a thin layer of sand is needed. That being said, the Krylon is a much better deal and is my favorite brand of spray can paint. My car's grills are Krylon satin black and the engine chevy orange. Both are still in great shape after a number of years.



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