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Topic: What 103 Class boat would you build with Italeri's new kit? |
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PeterTareBuilder
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Posted on: Oct 7, 2012 - 4:24pm
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It would most be a RON-10 boat(s). I would like to re-do my old Lindberg 109 of the PT 169, "ZEBRA SNAFU". I first built the 169 way back in 1987 and it has seen better days! I'll pull out all of the electronics in the old 169 and stuff it into the Italerie. I bet there is no comparison between the old Lindberg 1/32 kit of the 109 and this new Italerie Kit, huh??
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To start with the Italeri kit will have an accurate hull and not have the two huge holes in the aft deck that the 1/32 Lindberg kit does. The guns on the Italeri kit will be accurfate minitures of the real mweapons not plastic blobs that migh be weapons. At this point, after having seen the 596 kit up close, about the only thing I think will be comparable between the new Italeri 103 Class kit and the 1/32 Lindberg kit will be the price. Where I am in Ontario, Canada the Lindberg kit is now retailing for well over $100.00f you can find it.
Many are hoping that Italeri will release a South Pacfic T.O.O. crew for the new 103 class boat.
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FRANK |
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Posted on: Oct 8, 2012 - 5:43am
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Ahoy there Peter Tare Builder-
Yep, it's been a very long time since I was on the messageboard but I hope to take a peek on a daily basis from now on.
I have been converting my own PTO figures for a long time, and as Frank Andruss can attest, they look pretty good. I supplied over 3 dozen figures for the 374 diorama for Frank's exhibit.
I guess for the guys that are not into figures conversions, a new set of crew figures would be the ticket. But with that ticket comes a very high price tag for a set of crew figures.
Nice to be back on the board again!
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Frank J Andruss Sr
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 Posted on: Oct 8, 2012 - 6:23am
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Not many of us are real good at converting figures. I don't speak for myself because I have these things done for my Exhibit. I can certainly attest to all of the hard work Frank R. did on converting figures for my PT-374 Diorama, and they do look really good. It would be great though if more companies would listen to us Navy guys and start producing these figures in 1/35 scale.
I am always amazed at all of the figures and parts you can buy if you are building German items, but in dealing with 1/35 US Navy items, you have to struggle with parts and figures. To me at least, this is plain crazy. Someone need to write to these companies producing figures and say, hey guys, what about us..................
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FRANK
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Posted on: Oct 8, 2012 - 8:01am
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Hey Dallas-
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement with the flooding of the hobby industry with all the German kits! Personally I do not build German kits and have no intention to every build one. 'Nuff said about that !!
I know when I was working on the PT 374 project I used whatever figures I had in my inventory. Some of those were Japanese, German, British and USGI's. In order for me to get "just the right pose" I would use the arms and legs from different figure sets and assemble a "custom" figure. It's not that difficult!
I used my Dremel motor tool with a diamond impregnated burr bit and my motor tool set on the lowest setting and started carving off unwanted features on my figure. To remove any carving imperfections, I went over the entire figure with liquid Testers cement. This blends in all the carving tool marks and leaves a nice smooth figure.
On some of the figures I gave them short pants and short sleeves. Custom converting figures is a lot of fun and you are only limited by your imaginenation. I also use soft plastic figures as well!
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PeterTareBuilder
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Posted on: Oct 8, 2012 - 12:17pm
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Hey Dallas-
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement with the flooding of the hobby industry with all the German kits! Personally I do not build German kits and have no intention to every build one. 'Nuff said about that !!
I know when I was working on the PT 374 project I used whatever figures I had in my inventory. Some of those were Japanese, German, British and USGI's. In order for me to get "just the right pose" I would use the arms and legs from different figure sets and assemble a "custom" figure. It's not that difficult!
I used my Dremel motor tool with a diamond impregnated burr bit and my motor tool set on the lowest setting and started carving off unwanted features on my figure. To remove any carving imperfections, I went over the entire figure with liquid Testers cement. This blends in all the carving tool marks and leaves a nice smooth figure.
On some of the figures I gave them short pants and short sleeves. Custom converting figures is a lot of fun and you are only limited by your imaginenation. I also use soft plastic figures as well!
Modeler/ Friend RONS 10 & 43
Frank Ryczek, Jr.
HIGH TIDES ALWAYS!
YOUR FRIEND THROUGH SCALE SHIP MODELING AND PT BOAT HISTORY!
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Lindberg was kind enough to send me an extra set of their PT boat crew figures. They are a bit taller than many of the 1/35 figures and thus work really well in the cockpit area. I have the crew figured out and planned for one of the boats I'm refurbishing. I have one fellow who will be crouching and swinging the aft 20 mm gun around as though he were trying to get it to bear on a low flying aircraft. I too have lots of spare arms, legs and heads from other styrene figures manufacturers. There is something immensely satisfying when you can Franken create a figure with the exact pose you want or need.
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ducati650
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Posted on: Oct 11, 2012 - 4:42am
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This is a hard choice. The 103 series are beautiful and iconic of the struggles in the early days of WWII. There is something majestic about the clean lines.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Oct 11, 2012 - 6:17am
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Which boat to model would depend on how historically accurate you want it to be and how much scratch building you'd be willing to do (depending on what Italeri includes). There were minor changes after the 108, the only one that comes to mind is the forward towing bitt change to the mooring bitt. Probably the most noticeable change was starting with PT 151 when the armor was omitted.
Besides armament, here are some of the changes I've noticed while working with the Elco drawings (mainly bridge and chart house and I'm sure not a complete list of changes):
Port searchlight bracket (switch mounted separately) PT 103 and 105 only
Grab rails PT 139-196, 314-367
Nav horn PT 139-196, 314-367
20mm forward turret gun railing PT 151-162 (?)
Forward turret door PT 151-196, 314-367
Armor plate replacement on stbd bridge wall PT 163-196
Aldis light stowage (bridge on port) PT 163-186
Searchlight bracket on aft section of bridge shelter PT 166-196, 314-367
Aldis light stowage (bridge on port) PT 187-196
Cover over bridge instrument panel PT 175-196, 314-367
Airfoil wind deflector PT 175-196, 314-367
Folding step on bridge PT 187-196, 314-367
Helmsmans platform PT 187-196, 314-367
Flag locker (aft end of bridge) PT 187-196, 314-367
Aldis light stowage (bridge on stbd) PT 314-367
Torpedo Firing control box PT 314-367
Deck vents PT 314-367
Building out of the box, I'd stick with a 109-138 boat although I like the sleeker look of the boat without armor. Again, this depends on what Italeri includes with the kit.
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Drew Cook
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Posted on: Oct 11, 2012 - 6:25am
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"The 103 series are beautiful and and iconic of the struggles in the early days of WWII. There is something majestic about the clean lines."
Man, do I ever agree with Ducati650 -- my thoughts exactly about the early Elco 80-footers, my favorites among all the PTs of WWII. The pure aesthetics of those boats are what have always thrilled me. Like my uncle used to say about Jaguar XKEs..."They look fast, just sitting still."
Now...
Wouldn't it be really cool if Italeri made a 1/35th Elco 77-footer (I'd prefer the second-series myself, with extra parts for a Gunboat version)?
Probably too much to ask for -- and I guess it would be much more proper to put out a 1/35th Higgins 78-footer, if they made another U.S. PT boat...
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Oct 11, 2012 - 7:16am
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You might get lucky with the 77'er Drew, I doubt "proper" would have much to do with a subject decision. The Elco 77' boat is very sexy looking and another popular design. Although with the efforts of Jerry, Bob, and others, a Higgins boat could be more in demand. Dave could you ask your contacts at Italeri about future plans if you think it won't annoy them?
Could somebody please list the armament changes as built at Elco for PTs 103-196 and 314-367? It might help some decide which boat to model and it's something I've been wanting to know.
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Will Day
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Posted on: Oct 11, 2012 - 11:01am
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The Lambert/Ross ALLIED COASTAL FORCES V.II has excellent coverage of factory-installed and add-on armament listed.
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