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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Sep 18, 2011 - 10:17am
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Not a problem Bruce.
You mention the dingy being moved to the dayroom. while it is possible to move it to this location, I have not seen any mounting points on the earlier series boats as I believe the later boats(ELCO 565-624 series had, plus that was a 9 foot wherry, this dingy on 337 looks slightly larger), so they would have to lash it to the deck as in this photo. As for the air diverter, as you called it, this is the first time I remember seeing one however, since I am building a 1/32 scale PT 308, I guess my eye is now keen to that sort of stuff, and you are in luck, because I just found an excellent photo of one today,
This photo is of PT 131 RON 7 alongside PT 146 RON 12, they are nested alongside USS WACHAPREAGUE on or about 10/25/1944. Notice the starboard side charthouse window area of PT 146. This should give you an excellent idea of construction. This is just a guess but To me it is probably shaped sheet metal that might slide into a permantly mount track. My question is did these windows open on a hinge either up or down as the dayroom windows did?
take care
TED
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Hadly
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Posted on: Sep 18, 2011 - 12:40pm
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Nice work Bruce, if I might add a word. The Air intake portion of the engine room hatch - I've never seen a a framed screen covering on the intake. The Elco drawings don't show one either. They do show internal baffles, with one note on the bottom baffle as Muslin coated? ? ? ? and I have seen photos with the intake open not screened. Maybe someone else knows more than I, and thats not saying much. Just an idea for thought
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Will Day
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Posted on: Sep 18, 2011 - 4:10pm
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I've always thought this shot was a nice one for showcasing some of the "add-on" armament mounts, also.
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Will Day
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Posted on: Sep 18, 2011 - 4:20pm
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Hey Ted - What do you think about the boat numbers that show just faintly on the turrets of both vessels? It almost looks like they were originally white w/black dropshadow and then oversprayed green.....
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Sep 18, 2011 - 7:26pm
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Will;
You might be right, but you know how color interpertation goes with these black and white photos. Green and black is a new one to me. Normally with this type of photo, I would go with RON 9's gray with black shaded numbers or it might be discolored white and black.
There is always the odd ball example though, such as PT 134 RON 7 and most of the RON 33 boats which had red with white shaded numbers.
Take care,
TED
PT134 RON25 LT EDWIN POPE watches as a crewmember paints a railway car on the scoreboard. Photo was taken on or about 25 March1945
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bwross
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Posted on: Sep 19, 2011 - 6:50pm
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Gents,
Again thanks for all the feedback.
Jeff, please continue to nit-pick....I tend to be a bit anal about detail and your inputs are very welcome. Now that you mention the cut-out on the aft gun tub I am noticing it in pictures..that will be added forthwith. You're right about the vent funnels being a little on the thin side. They actually scale out at 5" in diameter....I considered correct this but decided to go with the kit supplied parts. I know that there is a good deal of detailing remaining on the hatch cover; I posted the picture to get exactly the feedback I got.....it will be easier to correct things now in a basic condition and not have to worry about breaking detail. Please keep the observations and critiques coming.
Ted, thanks for the great picture. It should be fairly easy to work up an air scoop for the chart house. I'm going to take a leap here and assume that the scoop would be on both sides. I'm going to have to spend sometime thinking about how to deal with the wherry.
Hadly, thanks for the observation about the engineroom vent. I can very easily pull the screen out. I wasn't sure about that and had been unable to find a picture that definitely answered the question for me so I went with it.
Thanks all,
Bruce Ross
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ducati650
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Posted on: Sep 20, 2011 - 4:54am
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Nice work on a good subject.
My only concern is about the width of the engine room hatch/vent. When I was building the 495 boat I found that instead of the wide hatch it had the earlier narrow hatch and I had to cut down the kit parts. From the photo it is hard to tell if your boat should have the narrow hatch/vent or not but I think, going by boat numbers, the narrow version should be concidered.
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Black Ops
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Posted on: Sep 20, 2011 - 11:25am
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Bruce, you're a better man than i, you take the comments very well and very curtously, I commend you. Please be assured no one hear means any ill will, picky or harassment, they are just being very detailed for you. Keep up the good work young man.
As I have understood (ducati650 comments on the width) the later 500 series ELCO's had the wide hatches, and the older as well as retrofit kits the hacth was narrow. Probably the width of the original low profile hatch but just taller to allow for greater air intake. Maybe Al, Frank, Jeff or Dick might be able to add more or confirm.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Sep 20, 2011 - 5:02pm
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Cool Bruce, you're a man after my own heart.
Ducati and BJO have the right of it, the hatch should be 31" wide as opposed to the hatch on PT's 565-624 which was 48".
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bwross
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Posted on: Sep 20, 2011 - 6:11pm
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Well I guess I operate under the theory that if you ask for critiques and feedback then you should be ready for the unvarnished truth; if you can't handle it don't ask. And I would much rather have someone give me the truth then tell me stories.
Also, I want geniue feedback because I approach a modeling project to produce a finished product that if shown to a crewmember they could point to a spot and say "I set my coffee mug right there and....." you get the idea.
I did buld the hatch/vent for the engine room at the 48" width instead of the 31"; guess I'll be rebuilding that one.....that's okay it'll go faster this time since I now know how to do it!
As an example of the approach I take to model building here is a picture of an AVP that I'm working on in 1/144 scale. Its a bit slow because of all the detailing but when you're building is scratch that's what happens.
thanks again for all the feedback and encouragement; this really is an outstanding forum for information.
Bruce Ross
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