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alross2
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 Posted on: Feb 27, 2011 - 12:00pm
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newsnerd99
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Posted on: Feb 28, 2011 - 7:43am
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Thanks for the link Al! Can you help make sure I decipher it correctly?
MGB 185 (209) à MTP 5 (5) à TC 105 (105) (../..; ex br. bzn, ex am. „PT 209”; 2 dyw. ŚT; 1.9.45: 1 dyw. ŚA; ..: 11 Dyw. Ś; § 62/66)
I'm reading this as MGB 185, which was PT-209, and later MTP-5 became a part of the Yugoslavian Navy on January 9th or August 1st of 1945? It was WFU in 1962 and scrapped in 1966? Any idea what the other characters or number mean in the list? Thanks a bunch!
Grandson of James J Stanton
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alross2
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Posted on: Feb 28, 2011 - 4:12pm
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Quote:MGB 185 (209) à MTP 5 (5) à TC 105 (105) (../..; ex br. bzn, ex am. „PT 209”; 2 dyw. ŚT; 1.9.45: 1 dyw. ŚA; ..: 11 Dyw. Ś; § 62/66)
I'm reading this as MGB 185, which was PT-209, and later MTP-5 became a part of the Yugoslavian Navy on January 9th or August 1st of 1945? It was WFU in 1962 and scrapped in 1966? Any idea what the other characters or number mean in the list? Thanks a bunch!
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I'm pretty sure the site is Polish, so I ran this through a Polish to English translator, but didn't get much more. I think the abbreviations and symbols are confusing the translator. However:
TC 105 is the last pennant number assigned to the boat
The date is 1SEP45.
I think BZN translates to MGB
62/66 may be placed out of service/scrapped given the age of the boat
Al
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Feb 28, 2011 - 8:48pm
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Al;
While the Ron 15 boats all have pretty concrete fates, I believe your Yugoslavian "duplicates" lasted quite a while longer. I had a NSW friend who went into the area in the early 1990's, I knew he was going, so I mentioned VIS, which I knew was a Royal Air Force base during WWll, royal Navy also had MTB interests here as well as MI-6, SAS, SBS, etc. even today it is an excellent staging area, as the airfield is still there. Prior to his departure, I mentioned the Yugo's operated like the Greeks, in the fact that the utilized caves for MTB's. He was an avid photographer and he mentioned seeing serveral of Higgins type PT boats, as well as Soviet types, such as Osa class and also later class missle boats. Some were scuttled, some were not. He took numerous photos of everything, all were confiscated upon return. He also took photos around Split, with the same story, numerous small craft(torpedo/missle etc.) in various states of abandonment. I know these photos exist somewhere, maybe in about 10 years they will come out.
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alross2
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Posted on: Mar 30, 2011 - 1:54pm
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While looking for material on the Jugoslav-built Higgins boats, I came across this site: http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=2626.0. I had to use an online translator (Serbian works well) but found the effort well worth it.
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alross2
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Posted on: Apr 3, 2011 - 7:24am
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Several reliable sources I've read over the years indicate the boats were metal. However, not being a trusting soul, I have yet to confirm this
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The Paluba site indicated these boats were wood. So did an old friend once associated with ONI. Then I remembered some photos a friend on Malta sent me. Duh!
 
The mast is a giveaway. This is a TC 108 - definitely wood.
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Apr 3, 2011 - 6:17pm
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WOW! What is the date of this photo? Those engines are moved ahead slightly are'nt they? What is this frame 26-30? was this one of the MODs that the yugoslavs did? Twin engines instead of 3? They engines.....are they duplicate Daimler Benz or Maybach engines? They do look like it.
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Dick
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Posted on: Apr 4, 2011 - 8:25am
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Al . . .
This engine room shot is very interesting. Without pulling out the drawings it appears they eliminated the officers head and forward fuel tank compartments, as Ted suggested at frames 26 to 30. Frame 26 was a water tight bulkhead. I wonder if this was similar to the Italian Higgins converted to special ops with it's aft boat ramp. Second thought, they might just have removed the aft center engine in the Italian boats.
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alross2
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Posted on: Apr 4, 2011 - 4:57pm
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I think these shots were taken 10-15 years ago. Chip and I both corresponded with Christian (photo-taker) who indicated that this boat had been engaged in smuggling. My references all show them with three Packards in naval service. These look like diesels and were probably installed in civilian service.
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