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TED WALTHER |
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 Posted on: Feb 10, 2011 - 8:05am
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ALCON;
Here is a photo of the Skipper and Exec of PT 305. As you can see the RON 22 Higgins in the barckround also has the red stripe panited on the stern. I have yet to find a RON 15 boat with this stern marking, but I am sure they were marked this way also.
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TED
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TGConnelly
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Posted on: Feb 10, 2011 - 9:05am
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Ted ...
Could you please post a larger version of that photo? At that size, what you call a stripe looks like a shadow.
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Feb 10, 2011 - 10:52am
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Here you go
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TGConnelly
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Posted on: Feb 10, 2011 - 2:22pm
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Thanks Ted,
I see it now ...... it's red?
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Dick
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Posted on: Feb 10, 2011 - 5:18pm
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Interesting the boat next to it appears not to have the strip - of course making judgment on a black & white is pretty tough. Kind determining if a boat is in the war zone, or if it is green or still factory gray . . . hummmmmm
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TED WALTHER
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Posted on: Feb 11, 2011 - 5:20am
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Dick;
As you already know, RON's in the Med are slightly more difficult. RON 29 of course was painted the in Thayer scheme after they deployed. But RON 15 and RON 22 collectively, seems not to have to much uniformity, until late 1944-early 1945.
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TGConnelly
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Posted on: Feb 11, 2011 - 5:57am
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Exactly Ted,
That is another reason why I'm thinking that not every boat in that theater had that stripe. Not saying that none had it - just wondering if every boat had it.
When I was researching my 556, nothing was conveyed to me that she had a red stripe on her stern and additionally? A modeler from Australia built a model of the 560 which did not have a red stripe either. So, when I researched my 556, I consulted with him on his own research for the 560, since both boats were in Ron 29. He did not mention anything about a red stripe ...
One interesting fact that I learned about all of the Ron 29 boats was that all of the boats were named after a character in "LIL' ABNER" and each boat carried its name and a characture (sp?) of the character on the starboard side of the charthouse.
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Frank J Andruss Sr
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Posted on: Feb 11, 2011 - 6:19am
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I had the chance to talk with PT-556 Crewmember, JERRY FOLEY this morning. He was with the boat from the time the Squadron was formed until the boat was turned over to the Russians. I had asked him about the colors you guys are bringing up here. He says he does not remember any stripes on the bow or stern of the boat, although he does remember the overall colors of the boat having a bluish tint. His boat was called AVAILABLE JONES, which as you know had the thunderbolt system on the stern. He has a few photos of the boat and will dig them out for me to see if we can spot any stripe of color.
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Steve Sobieralski
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Posted on: Feb 11, 2011 - 9:12am
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Hello,
I am the builder of the models over on modelwarships.com. I wanted to add a couple of comments regarding the color scheme on PT 559. First, the colors themselves were mixed by me, using the Snyder and Short USN color chips for Thayer blue and deck blue, so they should be pretty close. How they show up in the photos and on computer monitors is, of course, a different matter. Although, as Al Ross said, the camouflage instructions call for all horizontal surfaces to be deck blue, it seems that the tops of the chart house and day cabin mostly were not. I also left some areas, such as the wheel, instrument panel, and machine gun mounts in “factory gray”, thinking that perhaps they may not have been painted as part of the camouflage scheme.
As far as the red stern stripe goes, I had been unaware of that until I read it in Victor Chun’s book while doing research on the Mediterranean boats. The only photo of a boat with a discernable painted stern that I was able to find was actually of PT 559 leaving Bastia harbor in Frank Johnson’s United States PT Boats of World War II. This, and a close up photo of the 559’s chart house showing the swastika “kill” markings also in the book, were what made up my mind to build the 559. As Garth said, I had also read that the individual Ron 29 boats had names and cartoon figures painted on the boats, but I was unable to find any photographic evidence of that.
This is a scan of part of the photo in Johnson’s book showing the painted stern of PT 559:
As many of you no doubt know, another interesting aspect of the 559 is that, along with several other Ron 29 boats, she was transferred back to the states for training duties and was a subject of photos and video during a post-war trip from New York to the Great Lakes. As such, I would guess that she was one of the last of the Elco 80-footers to actively serve in the Navy?
I appreciate your interest in the models and your comments. I had first visited this site several years ago when David Waples mentioned it over on the Fine Scale Modeler site, and was able to get much useful information here, particularly on the Thunderbolt. I also found the excellent PT103.com site here as well as a couple of others, so I owe PT Boats, Inc. a vote of thanks. You guys are doing great job of keeping the heritage of the PTs and their crews alive.
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TGConnelly
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Posted on: Feb 11, 2011 - 10:01am
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Steve,
Your PT-559 is just incredible sir. I love it. NICE job!
Garth
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