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 Author  Topic: Color photos of PT-103, 105, 107
TGarth Connelly

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message   Posted on: Jan 4, 2007 - 6:33am
David,

Unfortunately - I was not able to see the photos - if you were to email them to my TCONNELL@Travelers.com and cc-ing my own, home email address of PTConsultingNHR@aol.com - I will take a gander at them and I will try and give you an informed answer.

As for them mixing red and yellow paint to get green paint? I cannot intelligently answer that for you. Perhaps if there is a surviving crewmember from that time people out there, they can tell you.

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I AM NOT EXPERT ON DIFFERENT PAINTS BUT AS INFO,WHEN I WAS AT EMIRAU ON PT 108 WE WENT INTO DRYDOCK ONCE TO REPLACE ENGINES AND DUE A GENERAL OVERHAUL ..AT THIS TIME WE ALSO REPAINTED THE BOAT.IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WE FIRST PAINTED WHAT WE THEN CALLED "RED LEAD"PAINT ON THE BOTTOM FIRST.THEN WE PAINTED SOME SORT OF DULL YELLOW ON NEXT.THEN WE PAINTED A "GREEN" OVER THE YELLOW.BY PAINTING THE GREEN OVER THE YELLOW IT "DILUTED" THE GREEN COLOR SOME.DON'T KNOW IF THIS HELPS OR NOT BUT MY MEMORY IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE.;
WE WERE SUPPLIED THE PAINTS FROM THE BASE.THE REST OF THE BOAT WAS PAINTED a green,.two shades.one dark and the camo waves a little darker.(in the sape of waves) earl


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Frank J Andruss Sr

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David:

I have found that when trying to go back 60 plus years, the memory seems to fade in time. Heck, I sometimes forget things that happened the previous week. Case in point. I have found a Company that will produce the white Cotton Coveralls worn at The Elco Naval Division. Seems like a easy thing right? Wrong. Elco had these produced with a different color collar and a stripe around the waist. As I try to be as accurate as I can in my PT BOAT EXHIBITS, I needed to find out what color. I tried to look at my color DVD, GIANT KILLERS, but could not get an accurate color because the film is 62 years old, plus lighting and other factors proved to me that they were either green, black or Navy Blue.

Now, I called three different former workers who at one time or another worked at the Elco Plant. Guess what, I got three different answers as to what colors were on the garments. First color was black, the second women remembered grey, and the third remembered dark Navy Blue. So, you see sometimes you might not get the answer you are looking for. In my case, I will go with the third workers assesment for two reasons. One it was what I believed was the color when I viewed the film, and two, this man was employeed at Elco from 1941-1949. I have to think that after 10 years of wearing this type coverall he should be pretty sure of himself. Unless I can find a colr photo ( which is highly unlikely ) I will go with the dark Navy Blue.

Same thing with the colors of the boats. Like Garth pointed out. The boat was grey or green and whatever choice you decide will not be wrong. I have known several of the crewmembers of the 109 and again, some say it was grey, some green. Some say no deoth charge up front, some say yes it did. I have found that a black and white photo really does not provide evidence to colors because what appears to be dark in the photo could be a multitude of dark colors, black,grey,dark blue, you get the picture. In any event, good luck with your project. You are certainly not the first one on this message board to get caught up in the color scheme of things


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David Waples

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Hi Earl,
I think I exchanged emails with you before. I believe the color I'm trying to capture was the color of the boat before you took it into dry dock for overhaul. Do you happen to remember the color of the boat at that time? Certainly not in detail but I'm very curious if it was green or gray.
Thanks so much for your time.
Dave



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Hi Frank,
I completely agree with you. I can still remember the color of every car I ever drove including the Triumph Spitfire I painted myself. That goes back over 30 years. Could I match it? No. But I would be thrilled to at least clear up the notion of green or gray with respect to the first pictures I posted. From there it becomes artistic license I think.
Thanks so much for your post.
Dave

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GOOD MORNING DAVID.
I THINK WE WENT INTO DRYDOCK AROUND JULY OF 1944 FOR OVERHAUL .IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE BOAT COLORS WERE LIKE BATTLESHIP GRAY ON DECK AND ABOVE DECK.ie; GUN MOUNTS,COCKPIT,ETC. THE COLORS ON SIDE ,I THINK, WERE TWO SHADES OF GREEN..DARK FOR UNDERCOAT AND DARKER FOR CAMO WAVE EFFECT. WHEN WE SCRAPED THE KEEL WE FOUND IT HAD THE RED LEAD DIRECTLY ON BOTTON, THE YELLOW,LIKE OCHRE,ON TOP OF THAT AND THE GREEN OVER THE YELLOW. NO WAVE EFFECT ON THE KEEL THOUGH. WHEN WE REPAINTED WE KEPT THE SAME COLORS AND EFFECT
I HOPE I AM GIVING THE CORRECT INFO ON THIS AND COULD STAND CORRECTED IF ANYONE HAS BETTER INFO. EARL.



















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David Waples

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Thank you Earl. I appreciate you responding to my questions. I'm hearing more and more that the boat is gray. I'll keep listening.
All the best
Dave

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Roger Callaway

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In the book,The Forgotten Ship, J.E.Bloomer mentions that as the Tender Mobjack was transiting to the Pacific, "Our navy blue ship was painted two colors green and black amphibious camoflage."

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David,,,....If I remember correctly, red and yellow makes orange ,not green. Blue and yellow makes greemn.. My boat was gray. Period


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David Waples

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Thank you Russell. My original posting of Black and Yellow is correct. I've mixed the two colors to get shades of olive drab. Blue and Yellow also makes green.

Which boat did you serve on?

Thank you
Dave

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