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TheBridge
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Posted on: Nov 22, 2009 - 3:06pm
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This will be a watershed and answer more then a few questions about ELCO PTs that existing plans and photos can't seem to resolve!
Congratulations of this discovery/recovery to current media that will make this an enduring resource as long as there are PT enthusiasts...which always be, always!!
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Dick
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 Posted on: Nov 23, 2009 - 1:20pm
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Just a quick note:
I,m not sure if I'm miss-reading some post and email sent to me or if the fact is misunderstood.
The six rolls of Microfilm have been around for a long time. It's not a new find. I've been aware of them for maybe a dozen years, I just hadn't saved up enough money to buy them. Al Ross, and maybe his father before him has had a set of these, including two other Early ELCO's 70' &77's rolls for some time now. It was a while back when Al gave me the heads-up on these other rolls. I haven't included them because I'm still saving money to buy the rolls and have them scanned. When I do, and if I'm real, real nice to my understanding wife, I'll get them and process then the same way.
After viewing the 3,500 frame I'm convinced that there are a lot of drawing not include on these rolls. With a project the size of the ELCO 80' there would be at least 10,000 drawings if not more. The level of detail was not complete nor were there Control Drawings for vendor purchased parts and equipment. Hopefully there are more rolls in the archive, but just not identified. Without Al's heads up, the Archives told me these six rolls were the only PT Boat (Motor Torpedo Boat) existing. - So much for government work.
I'm also sure that the Navy and Bureau of Ship also went to Higgins and Huckins plants and proceeded like they did after or before the ELCO microfilming visits. It just stand to reason. After all, when they bought the PT Boats, documentation (plans) must be supplied, SOP for decades.
If anyone has info on these items please share.
Boy, as usual this quick note turned into another mini novel, sorry.
Thanks,
Dick . . .
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PeterTareBuilder
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Posted on: Nov 23, 2009 - 2:02pm
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Hey there Dick.
Ever think of having a donation thing set up where those of us who would like to actively help preserve the history of these wonderful boats could contribute something to help you buy these micro-film rills?
Just an idea from Peter
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Ed B
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Posted on: Nov 24, 2009 - 9:06am
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Dick
Regarding manufacturing instructions, if you ever make it to HQ be sure to check out their volumes on assembling PT 731. The complete set consists of 4 hard cover bound volumes, copiously illustrated with photos, each about 2 thick. Step-by-step instructions for assembling the 80' Elco kits shipped to Russia in KDF under lend-lease. But how many lifetimes do you have? |
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Dick
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Posted on: Nov 24, 2009 - 3:51pm
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Thanks ED, for heads-up . . .
Sounds great, I need to get my hands on those - wow.
Dick . . .
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Nov 26, 2009 - 9:05am
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I have seen other ELCO plans in books but only the HQ plans are readily available in a decent resolution. And I had no clue that there existed so many others.
No longer will I get moody thinking about the wide variety available to the Higgins boys through the UNO website. You have done a wonderful service for ELCO fans Dick.
I did some searching at http://arcweb.archives.gov/ to see what I could find, lots of videos plus some printed matter. here's some of what they have listed:
Motor Torpedo Boat, Elco Type - Parts Catalog; Electric Boat; 312-0003; MTB, n.d.
ARC Identifier 2648947 / MLR Number P 6-E
File Unit from Record Group 344: Records of the Naval Ship Systems Command, 1941 - 1980
Contact(s):
Archives II Reference Section (Military), Textual Archives Services Division (NWCT2R[M]), National Archives at College Park, 8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD, 20740-6001. PHONE: 301-837-3510; FAX: 301-837-1752; EMAIL: Archives2reference@nara.gov.
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Histories, Reports, and Administrative Materials, compiled 03/15/1943 - 01/31/1946
ARC Identifier 604856 / MLR Number A-1 260
Series from Record Group 313: Records of Naval Operating Forces, 1849 - 1997
Maps and Charts
Photographs and other Graphic Materials
Textual Records
This series consists of records pertaining to Motor Torpedo Boat Squadrons, Seventh Fleet (MTBRon7th). These squadrons were active through the southwest Pacific Ocean during World War II. The records are wide ranging in subject matter. The correspondence that makes up the bulk of the series consists of serial files, non-serialized correspondence, and correspondence logs. Other records include task group and squadron histories (including war diaries and combat patrol records), instructional material, assignment and detail orders, and various other miscellaneous reports and press releases.
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Histories and Administrative Files, compiled ca. 1940 - ca. 1945
ARC Identifier 600260 / MLR Number A-1 259
Series from Record Group 313: Records of Naval Operating Forces, 1849 - 1997
Contact(s): Archives II Reference Section (Military), Textual Archives Services Division (NWCT2R[M]), National Archives at College Park, 8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD, 20740-6001. PHONE: 301-837-3510; FAX: 301-837-1752; EMAIL: Archives2reference@nara.gov.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Nov 26, 2009 - 9:08am
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14 linear feet, 11 linear inches
This series contains a wide variety of records created by the staff of Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron One (MTBRon 1). This series encompasses the entire range of files that would be maintained by an operational Navy command. This series contains histories of both MTBRon 1 itself and its constituent boats. The histories contain no information about the first series of experimental boats that formed the squadron's initial complement. Although the squadron's second complement of boats consisted of PT boats 20-31, 33, 35, 37, 39, 41-43, there are histories for only PT 20, PT 24, PT 27, PT 29, PT 30, and PT 42. The histories for even these boats are not complete. This series also contains a variety of standard reports ranging from personnel to material that inform higher command echelons of the squadron's status. This series includes a substantial number of correspondence files, both serialized and unserialized. Finally, the series also contains a range of inventories, equipage cards, requisitions, and invoices for the equipment that constituted a World War II motor torpedo boat squadron.
This series contains two files of photographs. One file contains photographs of various depth charge installations fitted to motor torpedo boats, while another file contains photographs of the weapons firing range at the Motor Torpedo Boat Training Center at Melville, Rhode Island.
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Personal Papers, compiled 1928 - 1984
ARC Identifier 573207
Series from Collection DDE-1093: John D. Bulkeley Papers, 1928 - 1984
This series documents the naval career of John D. Bulkeley, particularly during World War II, when he was a PT boat commander. The series includes material on motor torpedo boats; the evacuation of General Douglas MacArthur and President Manuel Quezon from the Philippines by Bulkeley; PT boat operations during the Normandy invasion; Operation Dragon (Anvil); the book "They Were Expendable" by William Allen White and movie by the same title, which dramatized the exploits of Bulkeley's PT boat squadron; and the 40th anniversary of D-Day. This series contains correspondence, memorandums, news clippings, reports, school transcripts, action reports, orders, and awards.
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Records Relating to Motor Torpedo Boat Design Competition, compiled 1938 - 1940
ARC Identifier 1174288 / MLR Number P 20
Series from Record Group 19: Records of the Bureau of Ships, 1940 - 1966
Architectural and Engineering Drawings
Photographs and other Graphic Materials
Textual Records
This series consists of correspondence, memorandums, technical notes, photographs, drawings, and other documentation relating to a design competition for new 54-foot and 70-foot motor torpedo boat (MTB or PT-Boat) designs which officially began on July 11, 1938 and closed on September 30, 1938. The competition also involved designs for 110-foot wooden hull and 165-foot steel hull submarine chasers, but most of the records in the series pertain to the motor torpedo boat competition, and a few documents pertain to 45-foot aircraft rescue boats.
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Confidential and Secret General Administrative Diaries and Communications Files, compiled 01/15/1943 - ca. 02/1946, documenting the period ca. 1940 - ca. 02/1946
ARC Identifier 602354 / MLR Number A-1 262
Series from Record Group 313: Records of Naval Operating Forces, 1849 - 1997
Maps and Charts
Photographs and other Graphic Materials
Textual Records
This series consists of formerly classified general administrative diaries and communications files documenting activities of Motor Torpedo Boat Squadrons, Pacific Fleet (MTBRonsPac) and its predecessor organization, Motor Torpedo Boat Squadrons, South Pacific (MTBRonsSopac). These squadrons were active throughout the Pacific Ocean during World War II. Included in this series are squadron and ship files, action reports, histories, war diaries, general correspondence, departmental instructions, and incoming and outgoing message traffic (cables). This series also contains records regarding individual personnel, including crew muster rolls, personnel reports, and correspondence relating to personnel assignment and detail.
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Restricted, Confidential, and Top Secret General Administrative Records and Communications, compiled 08/28/1945 - ca. 1946, documenting the period ca. 1944 - ca. 01/1946
ARC Identifier 602487 / MLR Number A-1 261
Series from Record Group 313: Records of Naval Operating Forces, 1849 - 1997
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Nov 26, 2009 - 9:09am
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Textual Records
This series consists of records pertaining to Motor Torpedo Boat Squadrons, Philippines (MTBRonPhil) during World War II and its aftermath. Subseries consist of a two volume history of the command, one war diary produced by Task Unit 93.4.60, various reports (including action reports, crew muster rolls, personnel reports, surveys, inspections, and training and educational reports), press releases and publicity materials, correspondence (both serial files and non-serialized materials consisting of general correspondence, cables, voice files, traffic files, and some miscellaneous items) and correspondence logs, instructional materials, assignment and detail orders, inventories, and some miscellaneous items.
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Nov 26, 2009 - 9:18am
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Some movie titles, most have detailed description online about content:
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COMBAT AMERICA, ca. 1941 - ca. 1945
ARC Identifier 5629 / Local Identifier 18-CS-9016
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MOTOR TORPEDO BOATS STRAFE OIL STORAGE TANKS & SHORE INSTALLATIONS, BORNEO, 1942
ARC Identifier 79344 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-12520
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PT BOAT OPERATIONS Chinhae, Korea, 04/1952
ARC Identifier 76750 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-3218
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PT BOATS MANEUVER & LAY SMOKE SCREEN, 04/21/1945
ARC Identifier 79228 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-12117
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MOTOR TORPEDO BOATS IN ACTION IN DANIPER STRAIT, NEW GUINEA, 07/06/1943 - 08/02/1943
ARC Identifier 75810 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-1052
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P. T. BOATS PATROL TRANSPORT AREA, INVASION OF FRANCE, 06/01/1944
ARC Identifier 77058 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-4320
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PT BOAT OPERATIONS, CHENHA, KOREA, 04/04/1952
ARC Identifier 26052 / Local Identifier 111-LC-32295
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TRANSPORTATION OF Japanese POWS AND NATIVES OF ZAMBOANGA, 10/02/1945
ARC Identifier 79929 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-15056
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RESCUED AMRICAN NURSES STORY, 01/15/1943
ARC Identifier 3562 / Local Identifier 18-CS-859A
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PT BOAT OPERATIONS & MARINE FUNERAL SERVICE, 1944
ARC Identifier 76216 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-1817
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PT BOATS IN ACTION, SINK Japanese BARGES OFF NEW GUINEA, 1943
ARC Identifier 76292 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-1965
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MOTOR TORPEDO BOATS MANEUVER, NEW ORLEANS, La, 04/20/1944
ARC Identifier 79231 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-12120
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INVASION OF FRANCE, ACTIVITY OFF COAST ON "D" DAY, 06/06/1944
ARC Identifier 77053 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-4313
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PT ACTIVITIES, PEARL HARBOR AREA, 04/30/1942
ARC Identifier 75605 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-635
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ACTIVITIES IN RENDOVA BEACH AREA, BATTLE FOR MONDA, 07/1943
ARC Identifier 83414 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-31283
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INVASION OF SOUTHERN FRANCE: TRANSPORTATION OF BLOOD PLASMA FROM C-47 TO INVASION COAST VIA PT BOAT, 08/15/1944
ARC Identifier 77374 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-5152
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ACTIVITIES AT PT BASE *21, WOENDI IS., DUTCH NEW GUINEA, 08/02/1944
ARC Identifier 77423 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-5251
Frances Langford & Patty Thomas exit jeep.
Miss Langford, Miss Thomas & Bob Hope at wheel PT.
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PT BOATS & OPERATIONS; PRACTICE TORPEDO EXERCISES, PT BASE, RENDOVA, 01/22/1944 - 01/28/1944
ARC Identifier 76215 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-1816
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Dick
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Posted on: Nov 26, 2009 - 1:48pm
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Thanks Jeff . . .
Top notch research, a wealth of information to expand on, I plan to use some of it soon.
Dick . . .
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