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Donald Shannon

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Hello Jeff and Al:

Regarding the question from Jeff: What a great photo, is it an illusion or does the lower left wheel spoke look like a cutaway to show construction?



I am pretty sure that the image of the helm is a type that was fitted with clear plastic glass handle grips over the metal spokes instead of the Bakelite.
The PT Inc museum at Battleship Cove Fall River Massachusetts has one of these helms in its collection. The helm is currently on loan to Ron Sinn of Wild Wood, New Jersey for his PT-486 boat project. Ron is restoring to the 486 boat to represent PT 109.

Don Shannon PT Curator at Battleship Cove, Fall River, MA


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Dick

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DON . . .

Welcome to the message board, very glade to see you hear and hope to see many post from you.

All the best,
Dick . . . .


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Great photo of the wheel, Al, thanks.

I've always loved that "suicide knob" on the wheel for rapid spinning...


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Good call Don, blowing the image up I can see several inner shafts clearly. Do you know if it was it a new type of plastic they tried? Maybe Lucite?





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I am pretty sure that the image of the helm is a type that was fitted with clear plastic glass handle grips over the metal spokes instead of the Bakelite.
The PT Inc museum at Battleship Cove Fall River Massachusetts has one of these helms in its collection.
Donald Shannon



Hi Don,

Thanks for the information. I wonder when these clear grips were introduced. The parts book I have is not dated, but lists parts for boats through 563, plus 731-760, Was this a standard replacement or a specialty item made locally for specific boats or RONs? Always so much to learn... :-}.

Al Ross



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Gustavo Martinez

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Hi Al

Time ago I asked in the forum for how could looks the bridge of the RON 33s PT boats ( 493, 495, 497, etc) at the Surigao strait battle.
Judging your picture I asume this was more or less the look of the bridges but without : Rocket Panel firing
Safety switch
Rheostat for Mk I sight
Mk I sights
flux gate compass in an uper position
No tubular intercom device (the one to the right of the wheel above the rheostat)
Do you think its correct ?
Thank you !



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Time ago I asked in the forum for how could looks the bridge of the RON 33s PT boats ( 493, 495, 497, etc) at the Surigao strait battle.





Hi Gustavo,

Essentially, yes, that sounds right. Check out Ed's (ducati650) site for many great pix of his PT 495 model. There is at least one cockpit photo among them and it will provide you will plenty of detail.

http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?start=0&selected=1830736

Al Ross



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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of alross2   Send Email To alross2 Posted on: Apr 26, 2009 - 2:53pm
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I am pretty sure that the image of the helm is a type that was fitted with clear plastic glass handle grips over the metal spokes instead of the Bakelite.
Donald Shannon



This clear plastic knob thing has me intrigued a bit. While doing a little research for Gustavo's response, I encountered these two photos:





The shot of the cockpit from Frank's collection of the boats in the Hudson clearly shows the clear plastic knobs. The shot of the factory-fresh PT 589 (a later boat than the one with the clear ones) clearly shows the Bakelite knobs.

Looks like I'm in for a bit of sideline research... :-}

Al



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Gustavo Martinez

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Thank you very much Al !



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Like I've said before, you learn something new about PTs on this site all the time!

I never knew about the clear plastic wheel knobs before now...only the black Bakelite ones.


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