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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Tim

Thanks for the information. Does the Kingston Wharf exsist today, and if so can we get a picture of the area as it looks today. Ted you were right after all.......


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I remember my Dad telling about being on patrol up past Manhatten on the morning after an airplane crashed into the Empire State Building. That would be in June of '45???


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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Yes you are correct. I believe it was in July 1945. The Pilot named Smith (I think) was on his way to pick up his commanding Officer in Newark, but because of Fog found himself in trouble. He had dropped down to get a better look but dropped right into Manhatten. He actually miissed several other Sky Scrappers before hitting the Empire Sate Building. He was flying a B-25 Bomber. Many people were burned to death, some working right at their desks.


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http://www.withthecommand.com/2002-Jan/NY-empireplane.html

Pretty good account of the B-25 Crash into the Empire State Building


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TOM;
HERE IS A BIO FOR SMITH ON THE 750TH BS 457 BG WEBSITE:
Apr 25th, 1944 - Lt Col William F. Smith, Jr. assumed command of the squadron and was commander until Dec 2nd 1944 when he was elevated to Deputy Group Commander. Col Smith was with the original complement of officers as a 1st Lieutenant when the unit was formed and a Lt Col at the end of the war. He had a jaunty and devil-may-care attitude and was very popular with the men who flew with him. He witnessed all 236 missions of the 457th but fate caught up with him in 1945 after returning from England. He and several others were flying a B-25 bomber from Boston to his new assignment in the midwest. The weather was extremely bad and as he attempted to make an emergency landing at LaGuardia Field, New York, his plane hit the 76 floor of the Empire State building killing him and 17 others in the building.
THERE IS ALSO A GOOD PHOTO OF HIM ON THIS SITE:
www.457thbombgroup.org
ANOTHER CLOSE UP/PORTRAIT PHOTO IS AT:
www.brightok.net
TAKE CARE,
TED


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QM

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Regarding the Melville football team in 1945: I was able to find the date of the game at West Point. It was October 20, 1945 [ this was one rare instance where Hal gave me an answer in a computer search]. My memory was that the team traveled from Melville to West Point and back by PT boat. It may have been a coincidence that other boats were at West Point that day, or they could have made only one leg of the trip by PT--New York City to West Point.

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  TED WALTHER

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QM;
That jives with the dates fro RON 41 and PT 615. Thanks for the tip, Were you at Melville then? Were you on the football team or the boats?
take care,
TED


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I was on neither the football team or the boats at Melville. I was on the base awaiting reassignment while hoping for a discharge instead. I must have been shipped out to Boston the week following October 20. I have no record of the date, but I do have a record of a temporary assignment in Washington D. C. from Boston which was dated October 31, 1945.

I have no knowledge of the boats used to transport the football team but my guess is that Ron 4 boats were used for the round trip.

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twhyte

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Frank,

The boats probably layed up out on Kingston Point. There is not much of anything out there now. The trolley runs out there, but there are only picnic grounds on that spot now.

It was a transfer point between the old Hudson River Day Liners and the Ulster and Delaware Railroad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_and_Delaware_Railroad

But it also could have been inside the Rondout creek. I will have to ask the locals if any spot inside on the Creek was referred to Kingston "Wharf"


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Gonna try this one again

Frank,

The boats probably layed up out on Kingston Point. There is not much of anything out there now. The trolley runs out there, but there are only picnic grounds on that spot now.

It was a transfer point between the old Hudson River Day Liners and the Ulster and Delaware Railroad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_and_Delaware_Railroad


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