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The 209, in July 1944 until it was lend-leased had two berths...TM Henry Beazley, who was a new guy on the 209 after several crew were wounded on patrols, was assigned his bunk there. He talked about how he didn't spend too much time sleeping there; fumes prevented it while the boat was underway and the Summer weather made it too hot to berth in during the day.

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Jerry Gilmartin

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Hi Dick,
Again what a great job! The PT658 looks like the one on the Lower Left Hand side, with 2 pipe racks and 2 berths and storage below the port berth. The starboard pipe rack is located just over that heavy duty framing (the same framework that I asked you to identify earlier) which blocks any access to storage. Thanks for giving us the chance to input by the way. Jerry

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[quote]The other thing is the flash hiders on the twin .50's that the 209 had...I don't ever seem to see them anywhere else (you can see them in the top right corner of the photo above). Was that just on in many mods the Navy tried during the war? Seems to me that it would only help the gunner keep his night vision...the enemy would still be able to see a good-sized flash.[/quote]

Can't offer any information on naval usage but at least in land warfare flash hiders were VERY useful.

Martin Russ was a young Marine in Korea in 1953. (Note that they were still using a great deal of WWII gear then.) He was young, courageous, and outrageous, so decided to turn his BAR into an up-close-and-personal weapon by removing the bipod and flash hider.

His first night patrol after the modification he spotted some enemy soldiers and fired on them. He was then BLIND for some minutes; thankfully the rest of the patrol fended off the enemy and hauled him away. [Story included in the book "The Last Parallel" -- while OT a very good work on combat. Was based on Russ' diaries.]

So if a BAR without a flash hider will blind the user, what will the muzzle flash of a couple of .50's do? I wouldn't want to find out the hard way.


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Dick

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Update - -

Well . . . I'm close to finishing up the Higgins Poster project still have some minor tweaking to do and a couple of proof-prints before they are done. Then onto creating the detail booklet showing each section of the boat separately in Isometric (3-D), with plan views, outboard views etc., etc. . . . .

PT-658 has been done exclusively for Jerry and the Portland Oregon, Save the PT Boat Inc, gang. They will be selling it as a fund raising tool during public tours.

The 209 and the 88 show different up-top configurations and some minor changes below deck mainly in the aft interior; Aft Crew Quarters or Aft Storage room including the Aft Crew's Head or Aft fuel Tank room. The 209 has also been done in green but not shown here.

I still want to create a PT-71 version because of it's very different upper deck configuration. The first 10 to 15 boats all shared this configuration where the the bridge was walled off and the gun turrets were offset at the end of long wall housings and located nearly mid boat.

All the best,
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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Dick

Great work as always. Ok, I want all three. Where can I order them and what is the cost. I think they would look great in my Exhibit, using Elco, Higgins, and one day Huckins.


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Dick,

Am really enjoying the outstanding work you're doing with the perspective cutaways. You've mentioned several times that the turrets on the original design were offset. Do you have a set of Higgins drawings showing this configuration? If so, could you upload a copy? I'll be drawing up this configuration and would like a reliable reference.

Thanks.

Al Ross


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Dick?

I wish I could do what you do.

Garth


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  TED WALTHER

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Dick;
Great work as always, I am also interested in purchasing the whole set, but did PT 658 have the swing out rocket launchers as part of its original armament package as in the photos of PT 631? Just an idea since 658 was originally to be in RON 45, or was it completed without the launchers since it was then slated to go lend lease to USSR.
Take care,
TED


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Great work, Dick.

Will

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Dick

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Dick   Send Email To Dick Posted on: Jan 30, 2009 - 3:17pm
Hey guys . . .

Thanks again for the kind words

AL,
I don't have a plan or deck view showing the configuration, just some Bulkhead Sections that were different from profile and standard Higgins deck view, which started me searching. A little later tonight I'll post up what I have and find the photo link, It be a couple of hours and I'll get it up.

TED,
You know, I’m not really sure what the final configuration would have been. I plowed through my drawing purchased from HQ and all the drawing at Louisiana Digital Library with little to none upper deck configurations, I’ve also requested Microfilm from the National Archives for Higgins with no results except for the 6 misc. content rolls on ELCO boats, the same for Huckins, they reported couldn't identify any microfilm for Huckins or Higgins.

However I did worked with Jerry Gilmartin on the 658 project and the configuration may have been more to the Portland’s group boat’s current look.

I do plan to finish off a full blow version of the 631 boat as well as a late model ELCO fully armed to the teeth.

Again guy, thanks very much, a little ego stroking never hurts.
Dick . . . .


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