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Dick
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 Posted on: Sep 17, 2008 - 11:32am
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Ted . . .
Went to the PhotoBucket site and viewed your photos of the 308. At first the images were so sad they brought a large tear to the eye. But realizing these great little boats were only made of wood, the cost of constant up keep would be nearly impossible unless it was a working boat earning a living for itself. Still it’s sad to see these wonderful wooden veterans scum to nature - it seems so painful.
On a brighter note, this one shot (that I have included below) is a great sample of the installed armor plating to help protect the welded fuel tank containers. I was always under the impression that all PT boat fuels tanks were self-sealing, until Jerry Gilmartin had brought up some illustration issues and investigating the issues found that at least the Higgins boats until the Series 625 did not have self-sealing tanks.
For Post readers, there are three other images that Ted Walther uploaded to our PT Boat PhotoBucket site, under his Album at:
http://s130.photobucket.com/albums/p249/ptboats/Ted%20Walther/
Below is a link to the Higgins blueprint for Armor Plating - "PDF" file which I created (assembled) from a series of jpeg bits and pieces I downloaded from the Higgins Library :
http://www.gdinc.com/PT-308_Armor_Plate.pdf
Thanks Ted, a great look of actual items we discuss on this board.
Dick . . . . .
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Hadly
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Posted on: Sep 18, 2008 - 12:21pm
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Hi,
I think you should make the colour green and maybe a PT 295 or something in the 200 series, if thats possible. It looks pretty nice. That pt boat above thats cool, bet it was a real problem with all thosed aromor panels bolted through the hull?
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Posted on: Sep 18, 2008 - 10:12pm
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Hi Dick,
Thanks for posting these wonderful drawings for our enjoyment! Now I know why some of those Elco boats say they were faster than Higgins boats! It was like they were handicapping the faster Higgins boats by putting 1/4 inch armor plates on her sides! I wonder how much all those armor plates weighed? Just like a racehorse that has to wear sandbags. Now it all makes sense to me!
No, all kidding aside, I am curious if you may know the answer to a question that i have had for several years about something on the PT658. In the aft crews quarters on the starboard side below the crews pipe rack are some very heavy wood beams and platform. You can see them in the photo through the door next to the CO2 bottle. (The photo was taken from the aft crews head looking aft and starboard into the crews quarters) The port side of the aft crew compartment has no such arrangement. Nobody that I have asked knows what they were for, I have often looked at these beams and wondered what was their purpose? Maybe you came across them in your blueprint adventures and could shed some light on the subject. Here is a picture
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Dick
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Posted on: Sep 19, 2008 - 12:17am
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Jerry . . . too funny ! ! !
I think I might have seen something that might explain the the heavy (beefed-up) structure. I'll check it out tomorrow morning and see what conclusion I can come up with.
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Dick
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Posted on: Oct 23, 2008 - 11:27pm
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Its been awhile since I have had time to work on the Higgins Drawing - for some reason making a living keeps interfering with me completing the project. It’s a real shame when paying bills come first. Besides, I can’t see congress come running to bail my rear end out of trouble.
I’ve decided to, at least for the first Higgins drawing do the Portland Oregon gangs PT-658. Then probably a 200 series Higgins, not sure which one. Below is a finished section, detailing the Bridge/Cockpit (? proper descriptor ?) and chart room.
My best to all,
Dick . . . .
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newsnerd99
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Posted on: Oct 24, 2008 - 1:40am
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I'd be happy to do whatever I could to have the 200 series be PT 209! Name your price Dick!
I think we're all pretty patient - we're just happy you are taking the time to do what you are doing!
Grandson of James J Stanton
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Dick
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Posted on: Oct 25, 2008 - 12:59pm
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Hi Jim . . .
Well you know, I would surely love to retire a little early. So I think the price would about $ #,@%*&,*@!$.#& . . . for starters . . . . . .
Tell me how the boat was configured, see below.
Also how the aft Storage/Crews Quarters where configured (the best I can tell by drawings and some very uninformative photograph of the rear compartments, there were three berthing configs and one storage config.): Two Pipe Berths, Two Pipe Berths with two Outbrd Berths or four Built-in Berths similar to forward crew quarters (in other words no Pipe Berths) or just Storage.
Take care and have a good one,
Dick . . . .
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Dick
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Posted on: Oct 25, 2008 - 1:28pm
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Hi Jim . . .
Well you know, I would surely love to retire a little early. So I think the price would about $ #,@%*&,*@!$.#& . . . for starters . . . . . .
Tell me how the boat was configured, see below.
Also how the aft Storage/Crews Quarters where configured (the best I can tell by drawings and some very uninformative photograph of the rear compartments, there were three berthing configs and one storage config.): Two Pipe Berths, Two Pipe Berths with two Outbrd Berths or four Built-in Berths similar to forward crew quarters (in other words no Pipe Berths) or just Storage.
Take care and have a good one,
Dick . . . .
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Posted on: Oct 25, 2008 - 4:34pm
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Hello Dick-
Thanks for posting the drawings of the PT boat weapons and armament placements. This is a fantastic help to all of us scale PT boat modelers here on the board. Outstanding refference material, Dick. Great job!
Frank Ryczek, Jr.
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newsnerd99
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Posted on: Oct 25, 2008 - 5:15pm
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I don't think I have that much Dick, but I'd be happy to pay you for your time (or bid on a raffle if you wanted to do just one.)
That weapons, etc. breakdown is impressive! Great work. Here is the best profile shot I have of the 209...with my alphabet breakdown. I broke it in half so it would be "larger" in a web browser format. This is how the boat would have looked on August 15th, 1944 (D-Day, Operation Dragoon). I can provide detailed photos of specific areas on the boat...I only referenced things I could prove with photos.
The only other notes worth mentioning is that the midship .30's I have no clear photos of and the raft in every photo I have is always lashed to the starboard cabin face, blocking the window/vents. Also, I see no star or star-and-bar painted on the deck. There was a small wooden boat (not the standard issue raft) that would be strapped under the barrel of the aft 40mm, and was used on D-Day to rescue downed glider troops who ditched in the Med: http://www.pistolpackinmama.net/pb/wp_c6cc427c/wp_c6cc427c.html
I looked at a profile photo of PT 210 as a cross reference, and she seemed to be outfitted identically.
Thanks Dick!
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RON 15 PT 209 and RON 23 PT 243
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