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 Author  Topic: As Requested an Enlargement of unknown ELCO 77'
Dick

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As requested, an enlargement of a posted image. Image pixels have started to blow-out because the heavy enlargement of low resolution posted image - resulting in poor quality.











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  Wayne Traxel

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Hello Dick,

Thank you for the enlargement. Put YC700 barge "Mystery PT" picture on my photo program and lightened the photo at the stern. This craft does have an overhang which was featured on PT's 59 through 68. These boats also had turret lockers ( box like structure aft of turrets). Its not 59 as she had SO Radar mounted in the location where the lockers were and she had shed her torpedo tubes when converted to a gun boat. the boat on YC700 is not 47 or 48 as they were not built with lockers or overhangs and had radar mounted behind turrets like 59. PT-48 also shed her torpedo tubes for had aerial torpedos and racks. As Ted mentioned six boats were normally shipped at a time. Early 77 footer series PT's 39 and 40 we know came back and now we see 38 for a total of six. So what is the number of that boat on YC700? And is it the same boat featured in Franks dock side photo?

Thanks again for these great photos.

Wayne Traxel

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  TED WALTHER

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Wayne;
Look at what is going on in the full photo in the previous post, this boat being lifted is probably PT 40, but it might be a different day so it might be PT 38 or 39, check out the notch behind the cockpit. It is definatly a first series boat. What we need Dick to do is enlarge the photo of the boat being lifted off YC 700, not this photo.
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TED


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Drew Cook

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Thanks, Frank, for these great photos and Dick, for their detailed enlargements. Keep 'em coming!


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Let's try this:





Charlie


PS: I corrected the link, Dick . . . . .


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  Wayne Traxel

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Hello Ted,
I agree, the first photo that Dick scanned is clearly an early series 77 footer being lifted off a barge, and as Charlie indicated, it is PT-40 being unloaded.

However, my comments were directed at the second photo Dick scanned showing a boat sitting on barge YC700. This second picture is clearly a later 59 to 68 series 77 footer. The rear portion of this charthouse flows unbroken into the turret section. Behind the turrets is the rectangular storage bin/turret locker that was origionally designed for the 45-68 class but was not installed on PT's 47 and 48. In time SO radar was installed behind the turrets of 47 & 48. I have no pictures of 45 or 46 so I can't say if they ever had the structures. PT 59's storage bin was removed to accomodate the SO radar. The boat on Barge YC700 has the aft oval hatch off center to port found on the later 45-68 series boats. When I lightened the photo of barge boat, I could see the overhang/Stern Guard which was fitted on 59-68 only. PT's 47 and 48 did not have this structure and their sterns appeared as the 20-44 series boats. This seems to be taking the long way around describing why I don't believe the boat on Barge YC700 is 47,48 or 59. And they are not 38,39 or 40 either. I still think another 77 footer sneaked in.

But you know, as Frank said, someone who was there will have to esplain this.

Wayne Traxel

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Dick

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I've Copied Charlie's photo above - I'll see what I can do with it. I'll posted it when I get done.

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Dick

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Check out the 58 foot PT-4 styled boat In the background with an SO Radar installed ! ! ! ! !


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Check out the 58 foot PT-4 styled boat In the background with an SO Radar installed ! ! ! ! !


Dick . . . .





I noticed that and was more interested in that one than the others. I know that they used some of those early prototype boats up there as testing platforms. I was wondering if that was ex-PT-1 becasue I know it was up there. Don't think I've ever seen a photo of PT-1 to compare it to.

Charlie


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Dick

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The cabin/bridge looks too short for any of the early PT's 1-4 and -8



Enlargement of PT ? ? ? ? ? ?


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