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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Oct 4, 2024 - 12:36am
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I wonder if these hats resembling aviator hats were general issue ?
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29navy
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Posted on: Oct 4, 2024 - 5:22pm
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Yes, they were. At the start of the war, they were blue, lined with dark blue flannel. Special Winter Helmet.
In 1943, the Navy came out with a newer version, changed the color to olive drab, added a visor, Helmet, Winter N-1.
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Oct 4, 2024 - 11:48pm
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Thanks Charlie. Since the helmets in the pics I posted don't have peaks I assume these are the early blue ones. I learned from google that the woolen knitted caps that were often worn by men of Ron 34 and 35 were also general issue..
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Posted on: Oct 5, 2024 - 6:25pm
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Correct on both. The wool cap was called a watch cap and was stanard issue to all sailors.
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Jerry Gilmartin |
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 Posted on: Nov 10, 2024 - 2:40am
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Hello Arjan,
I have the photos that Dave prentice took while aboard Higgins PT88 RON14, (and later RON15 PT204) as PT88 was being delivered to USSR via New York Harbor. The boats were taken up the ICW in wintertime. You can see a few of the crew wearing these helmets. I think these photos were taken in Winter, 1942 between North Carolina and New Jersey. Hope this is helpful!
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Nov 11, 2024 - 1:50am
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Thanks a lot for the interesting photos Jerry ! I think I might try to sculpt a few of these hats to add some variety to my PT-515 crew :
I noticed PT-88 also had a very interesting history when I looked her up on the navsource site. Pity there are no pics of her in British service.
As it happens I have been working on a 1/35 Italian MAS rc model which I have finished as a boat serving in the Black Sea . I'm in the process of sculpting knitted woolen hats for the crew members.
Some of the Italian crew in these period pics are also wearing aviator style hats :
My MAS model made her maiden voyage yesterday :
I considered finishing the MAS model as MAS 562, the vessel that was captured by PT-309 , but I fancied the red and white air recognition stripes.
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Posted on: Nov 11, 2024 - 11:29pm
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Hello Arjan,
I have some photos of the MAS boat captured by the 309 with a few taken by its German crew. I will post them here.
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Nov 12, 2024 - 12:11am
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Thanks a lot for the interesting photos Jerry. I knew most of them but these are far better copies than I've got. I especially like the penultimate one which is completely new to me. I don't quite understand who wrote the text "es ad it", sounds British to me.
I didn't know that MAS 562 had been taken over by the Germans but that makes sense because the Italian Navy had already officially surrendered in September 1943. Could you briefly describe how MAS 562 was captured by PT-309. All I know there was a fight.
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Nov 12, 2024 - 11:20pm
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In the mean time I learned from German records that MAS 562 had joined the Marina Nazionale Republicana (Italian Republican Navy) when the Royal Italian Navy had surrendered in 1943. The Italian Republic was a puppet state created by Hitler. Not clear to me however if MAS 562 still had her original Italian crew or perhaps only part of it with some additional German crew members . The German Navy had also incorporated captured craft in their own 24th Schnellbootflottilla but MAS 562 was not one of these.
An excerpt from the German source:
Die Seestreitkräfte »Marina Nazionale Repubblicana« (MNR)
der »Repubblica Sociale Italiana« (RSI).
Von Marco Picone Chiodo
Nach meinen Forschungen besaß die RSI folgende Einheiten
Ausgeschlossen sind die Zerstörer Pigafetta und Turbine, die zwar eine rein italienische Mannschaft behielten, aber deutsche Flagge zeigen mussten, das U-Boot Bagnolini und mehrere Torpedoboote, die eine deutsch-italienische Mannschaft erhielten, die Korvette FR 51 (ex-franz. Korvette La Batailleuse), später UJ 2231. Die U-Boote Volframio, Murena und Sparide blieben unbrauchbar.
Ligurisches und Tyrrhenisches Meer
U-Boot Aradam (Kpt. Luigi Forni) ab Januar 1944. Am 4. September 1944 bei US-Luftangriff auf Genua gesunken
Schwere Schnellboote (MS):
MS 16 (ab 11. Oktober 1943) - Januar 1944 in Genua von alliierten Flugzeugen versenkt.
MS 34 (ab 25. November 1943)
Schnellboote (MAS):
MAS 502 (ab 22. Januar 1944)
MAS 504 (ab 26. Oktober 1943)
MAS 505 (ab 10. April 1944, gehörte zur Königlichen Marine, lief zur RSI über)
MAS 525 (ab Okt./Dez. 1943)
MAS 531 (ab 2. November 1943)
MAS 544 (ab 5. November 1943)
MAS 549 (ab 26. Oktober 1943, ab Frühjahr 1944 deutsches S 509)
MAS 551 (ab 22. Januar 1944, ab Frühjahr 1944 deutsches S 510)
MAS 553 (ab November 1943)
MAS 556 (ab 22. Januar 1944)
MAS 557 (ab 11. Oktober 1943)
MAS 558 (ab 8. November 1943)
MAS 561 (ab 8. November 1943)
MAS 562 (ab 8. November 1943)
Source :
https://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/achse/rsi-mnr.htm
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Arjan
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