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Arjan Wiskerke |
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Posted on: Sep 13, 2024 - 10:49am
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I would like to finish an Italeri PT 109 kit in the well-known adaptor scheme. Problem is that these 1/35 and 1/72 paint masks don't seem to be available anymore ::
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/gator-paint-mask-35th-pt-zebra-usn-pt-boat-zebra-camouflage--1274078
I wrote several mails to "Gator" but so far I haven't received a reply. Any info on availability would be welcome, I take it that no one has ever produced 1/35 or 1/72 decals of the adaptor scheme. Reproducing this camo pattern onto a model without the benefit of a paint mask or decals is definitely not my idea of fun .
Regards,
Arjan
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TED WALTHER |
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 Posted on: Sep 15, 2024 - 12:29pm
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Arjan;
FYI The masks are only good for one boat, and it is probably incorrect. Your better off creating your own mask, yes it will be time consuming and painful, but it will have a better chance of being correct.
The most photographed is PT 139 RON 4which was the camo scheme prototype. Once underway testing and the Research and Development photos were taken, the boat was repainted back to gray.
The next boat to be painted in this scheme and most photographed was PT 170 RON 10.
All the boats in RON 10 were painted in this camo scheme, but every boat was painted differently, no two were alike.
I originally thought that the decks were painted solid gray, but, in a recent video clip, of a RON 10 boat launching a practice torpedo stateside, I discovered that the camo scheme was originally on the deck also!
Most of the photos in print are mixed 139 and 170 photos. You have to really research the boat you want, to get it correct.
Look at the attached photo gallery, a few years ago I uploaded all my photos of as many RON 10 boats as I could find, but most only show one side.
Take care ,
TED
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TED WALTHER |
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Posted on: Sep 15, 2024 - 12:30pm
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Arjan;
FYI The masks are only good for one boat. The most photographed is PT 139 RON 4which was the camo scheme prototype. Once underway testing and the Research and Development photos were taken, the boat was repainted back to gray.
The next boat to be painted in this scheme and most photographed was PT 170 RON 10.
All the boats in RON 10 were painted in this camo scheme, but every boat was painted differently, no two were alike.
I originally thought that the decks were painted solid gray, but, in a recent video clip, of a RON 10 boat launching a practice torpedo stateside, I discovered that the camo scheme was originally on the deck also!
Most of the photos in print are mixed 139 and 170 photos. You have to really research the boat you want, to get it correct.
Look at the attached photo gallery, a few years ago I uploaded all my photos of as many RON 10 boats as I could find, but most only show one side.
Take care ,
TED
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Arjan Wiskerke |
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Posted on: Sep 15, 2024 - 2:37pm
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Much obliged Ted ! I thought I had downloaded most available pics of PT boats sporting the adaptor scheme but your photo gallery shows many more . If the paint mask I'm looking for is indeed no longer available I will definitely make one myself.
Seeing all the interesting pics you have uploaded I'm surprised how little is available in the way of decals for 1/35 Elco PT boats. I actually believe there is only a set of PT Boat numbers produced by Archer decals which is currently even no longer available .
Kind regards,
Arjan
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Jerry Gilmartin |
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Posted on: Sep 15, 2024 - 9:54pm
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Hi Arjan
I think FRANK ANDRUSS really likes those Zebra Adapter Camo Schemes on PT Boats! Maybe he has some good photos he can share with you of his favorite boats wearing that measure.
Jerry
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Sep 16, 2024 - 12:50am
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Thanks Jerry, I will ask Frank if he has more pics of PT-169. This is the vessel I'm going to focus on. The reason for this is that so far I have found 7 pics showing PT-169 from pretty much every angle. This is more than of any other PT Boat with the zebra pattern. Six pics show PT-169 without her torpedo tubes fitted and I've found one rather blurry pic of this vessel with all four torpedo tubes in place. It would be nice though to have a better pic of this vessel with the tubes fitted. This is the pic I have found on Navsource . It has been misidentified as PT-139 but I'm absolutely sure it's actually PT-169 :
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Arjan
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Arjan Wiskerke
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Posted on: Sep 17, 2024 - 4:58am
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In the mean time I have found a much better copy of the pic I posted before :
I'm convinced this is also a misidentified PT-Boat (the one on the left). Navsource lists this as PT -168 which is impossible because it doesn't match a well-known bow shot of PT -168. In fact this pic also shows PT-169.
Bow shot of PT-169 :
Bow shot of PT-168 :
As far as I can tell from the available pics the deck of PT-169 was not painted in a zebra pattern. I assume it was painted grey and it doesn't seem to be a very dark shade of grey ?
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TED WALTHER |
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Posted on: Sep 17, 2024 - 9:47am
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Arjan,
That underway overhead photo was taken on October 8, 1943, near Tulagi, in the war zone, the other boat is PT 59. This boat has always been identified as PT 171(LT. Arthur Berndtson).
At any rate, the deck here is painted dark green, it was probably painted gray enroute or in Panama, then they painted the deck dark green sometime after arriving at Noumea. This was one of the boats that survived the sinking of SS Stabac Manila, all surviving boats were damaged and repaired. The white stripes were also repainted a lighter green .
The video might be on YouTube or Critical Past, but it’s a RON 10 boat firing a practice torpedo, probably in Narragansett Bay, and you can clearly see that the deck is striped.
When first applied, all the boats had striped decks , it must have been hell for guys who were prone to seasickness!🤣
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TED WALTHER |
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Posted on: Sep 17, 2024 - 10:00am
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Arjan,
That underway overhead photo was taken on October 8, 1943, near Tulagi, in the war zone, the other boat is PT 59. This boat has always been identified as PT 171(LT. Arthur Berndtson).
At any rate, the deck here is painted dark green, it was probably painted gray enroute or in Panama, then they painted the deck dark green sometime after arriving at Noumea. This was one of the boats that survived the sinking of SS Stabac Manila, all surviving boats were damaged and repaired. The white stripes were also repainted a lighter green .
The video might be on YouTube or Critical Past, but it’s a RON 10 boat firing a practice torpedo, probably in Narragansett Bay, and you can clearly see that the deck is striped.
When first applied, all the boats had striped decks , it must have been hell for guys who were prone to seasickness!🤣
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TED WALTHER |
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Posted on: Sep 17, 2024 - 10:02am
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Again remember, PT 139 was the prototype for this scheme.
I also have photos of the RON 10 boats on tankers in the gallery, did you see them?
Take care.
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