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 Author  Topic: WHAT WAS THE TRUE COLOR PAINT JOB ON THE 109
David Waples

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of David Waples  Posted on: Nov 28, 2007 - 5:00am
Drew,
We've probably talked about this before but Frank's Mosquito Boat Hobbies makes a pretty nice 1/20 scale 77' Elco. You can order as PT-65 or PT-59. He has some photos on his web site of finished models. That's a pretty big model though unless you're planning on doing R/C.

I'ts probably worth suggesting to Trumpeter again.

Dave

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David Waples

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The color issue of the 109 has jumped to a new posting about 3 pages ahead titled "Color Photos". There you will find what appear to be photos containing the 109 boat in color.
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TGarth Connelly

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She was Tropical Green..............

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David Waples

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I don't disagree that the boat was painted "Tropical Green". As I understand it this is a color created in the field by mixing certain tints. John Snuder can better explain how the formula was mixed. Looking at the photos in the "Color Pictures" post this color looks different than the product WEM sells as Tropical Green. However if you take that tropical green and darken it with black or maybe better yet dark gray, you come very close to the pictures in these color photos.

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Frank J Andruss Sr

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Frank J Andruss Sr   Send Email To Frank J Andruss Sr Posted on: Jan 5, 2008 - 5:22am
GOOD GOD. PAINT THE DAM BOAT ALREADY. SHE WAS GREEN SHE WAS BLUE SHE WAS RED SHE WAS BLACK, GET OVER IT AND PICK A SADE. THERE MUST BE MORE TO TALK ABOUT THEN THE COLOR OF PT 109. IF YOUR OFF A TOUCH AND IT IS TOO GREEN OR NOT ENOUGH GREEN, WHO THE HELL CARES. AS I SAID IN AN EARLIER POST, NO ONE EXCEPT YOU MODELERS CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE OR REALLY CARES. STOP BEING SO CRAZY ABOUT THIS. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENTISIT STUFF. THE COLOR PICTURES JUST PUT ON THIS SITE SHOULD END THIS CONVERSATION FOR ALL ABOUT THE COLOR OF PT 109. NOW GET TO MIXING YOUR COLORS AND PAINT PAINT PAINT.


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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Will Day   Send Email To Will Day Posted on: Jan 5, 2008 - 5:55am
You know, guys.....There probably will never be a "right" shade for any model of the boats which were Out In The Area; weather, saltwater, length of exposure to the sun, vageries of local paint mixes and methods of application (especially in the early days) - combine these with the state-of-the-art of color photography in those days and I don't see any way of getting the "absolutely perfect match".

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TGarth Connelly

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Dave,

That's a GREAT point. I agree with you 100%.

Will, you are also correct as well. But, you might find that some historians - not me though - will tell you that if a regulations says that a boat was this color or that color, then you MUST paint your model in that color no matter what and that you're not interested in having a terribly accurate model.

I say, use the regulation as a guide, and then do what you think is correct. Yeah, the sun, weather and wear and tear DOES have an effect on a paint job and its hue. It's only logical ...

And another thing? Forward bases might not have had the correct paint for a scheme and paints might have been cobbled together to get a close enough match. But, I'm sure that they'd be admonished by some historians for not being accurate.

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David Waples

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The bottom line is that I put a lot of hours into this project. It's important for me to get it right. I value the information I get from the vets that take their time to share their stories and memories, and historians such uas Al Ross and John Snyder who have spent a lot of time sorting this stuff out.

We now have what may be color evidence of what PT-109 looked like. It's not going to get any better than that. Are we going to get an exact match? No. But if we have a record based on good quality color photos. For me, I'm going to take the time to get it right. Getting the details as correct as possible honors the vets who servced on these fine boats. From a selfish point of view it also gives me great satisfaction to know that I gave it my best shot.

It's time to paint.
Dave




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FRANK

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Hello there everyone-

It is my understanding that I opened a big can of "worms" when I first posted "WHAT IS THE TRUE COLOR OF PT-109".

However I was just trying to seek out some information from those in the "know", that's all!

Frank, first and formost, I thought that this board was for those "seeking" out information on the subject and history of something near and dear to all who use this board as a refference point, either historians or like myself, scale modelers. I understand that you are a knowing fellow and monitor this board from time to time and a lot of us look up to you, as do I.

Lately, I have noticed a lot of negative remarks about the color of the 109. What with over 1300 folks looking at the post and with over 40 responses to that post, I sure do feel that it is in fact an issue that is important to a lot of folks out there.

Frank Ryczek, Jr.

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YOUR FRIEND THROUGH SCALE SHIP MODELING AND PT BOAT HISTORY!

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Frank J Andruss Sr

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I certainly knew full well that I was going to take a little heat for my Negative remarks on this subject. First, let me say that as a rule I do not come on the message board to be negative. I like many of you out here have a passion for the History of the PT Boats. I do not have to prove that, as I am sure you all know about my Exhibit and the work I do.

I should have realizd that many of you modelers do your best to get it right the first time. Being Historically correct is very important and I should have been a bit moe sympathectic to what you and others were trying to accomplish. Doing this for so many years, I have had that burning question in my head about the color of PT 109, like she was the only PT BOAT in the Navy. I guess I just got tired of the banter on a subject that was being beaten into the ground for so long. I now understand that like me, there are others out there that have the same love for the boats and their exploits during WWII. Above all, I should have known that doing things right the first time is the only way to go. I have several models in my Exhibit that were built by guys that take the time to research them and when finished are pretty sure they are about as accurate as they can be.

In closing, let me state that I sorry for sending out such a negative response on this message board. Thanks to those of you who gave me a kick in the pants, I NEEDED IT.............


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