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Dick

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Please see Jerry's post above for photos.

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Thank you Jerry and Dick! That cartoon is enough to give you nightmares...



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Thanks a lot again !
All this pictures gives perfect view of MAS 562 !!

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Interesting boat compared to some of the other examples I've seen.

At this time they did not have the red and white identification markings on the bow. Does anyone know the history of these identification markings?

They painted over the three main window pains on the front of the cockpit where those vents are located.

The typical roll off depth charge system they had is replaced by two single roll off depth charges (US Navy style). That seems unusual from other examples I've seen.

The smoke screen system seems to be removed.

The two poles that look like telephone poles (no idea what they are for) are not on this boat.

And of course the torpedoes are launched or were not loaded at the time of capture.

From what I've read this boat lost it's engine power and surrendered. Doesn't look like she put up any kind of fight. Does anyone know?

Dave

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Dave;
for full account read my earlier post.
As for the aerial recognition symbols this was standard for MED axis forces, The Italian battleships ROMA, ITALIA ( originally named Littorio had bow and stern marked like this), ANDREA DORIA, AND VITTORIO VENETO had Their forecasle's painted like this, As did many Cruisers and destoyers. I have also seen Schnellboots with this on the forecastle.
Unfortunately, this also made for great aerial targeting, as the Germans attacked the sortieing now Free Italian Fleet while originally heading to La Maddelena, but then altered course Malta on 9 September 1943, to join Allies.
The Luftwaffe sent 3 Dornier Do 217-K2s armed with Fritz-X radio-controlled bombs to attack the ships. ROMA( 1,352 men lost, 596 survivors)was hit by 2 Fritz-X bombs and sank. ITALIA was near miss astern which jammed her rudder.
Hope this helps.
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Dave;
for full account read my earlier post.
As for the aerial recognition symbols this was standard for MED axis forces, The Italian battleships ROMA, ITALIA ( originally named Littorio had bow and stern marked like this), ANDREA DORIA, AND VITTORIO VENETO had Their forecasle's painted like this, As did many Cruisers and destoyers. I have also seen Schnellboots with this on the forecastle.
Unfortunately, this also made for great aerial targeting, as the Germans attacked the sortieing now Free Italian Fleet while originally heading to La Maddelena, but then altered course Malta on 9 September 1943, to join Allies.
The Luftwaffe sent 3 Dornier Do 217-K2s armed with Fritz-X radio-controlled bombs to attack the ships. ROMA( 1,352 men lost, 596 survivors)was hit by 2 Fritz-X bombs and sank. ITALIA was near miss astern which jammed her rudder.
Hope this helps.
Take care,
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Thanks for that Ted. I completely missed your post.

I'm particularly interested in the depth charge rack on the stern. I don't think I've ever seen these on axis boats. Perhaps I need to look a little harder.

Both sides certainly used recognition symbols. Our boats had big white stars painted on their foredeck.



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Matt,

The War Diary of 'Commander Boat Squadrons, Eighth Fleet, U.S. Naval
Forces, Northwest African Waters' includes all operations of Ron's 15,22 & 29.

There is slight mention of the MAS capture, but it does say that " All documents
and material of intelligence value were turned over to the Bastia intelligence
pool".

I would speculate that there is a report somewhere in the Archives, but where is the question.

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Hi Steve
Yes somewhere... Despite my research (from France anyway not very simple...) I am, as you, unable to say where these reports could be.
Another new information, the MAS 562 was quickly give to the Italian co-beligerant navy (the one who fight with allies).

@David
All the MAS who saw action with X MAS were modified.
- Smoke generator removed
- Mine launcher removed, remplaced by two simple rack with only one mine on each side
At the moment i do not know the exact mine type, but it seems to be a classical italian mine, usined all along ww2
- On some MAS, from one to three 12,7mm Breda Safat were added on light tripod.

For the camouflage, the 562 seems to be the only one to still have a "splinter" camouflage (hard edge), most of the other were simply light grey.
No other recognition marking for the X MAS boat.

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Thank you Matt.
So at the time the boat was captured it's possible it had all the original equipment on board?

Do you know if the red and white recognition markings were removed when turned over to the Italian co-beligerant navy?

Thanks again Matt! This is an interesting discussion.
Dave

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