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 Author  Topic: Revell New Tool PT-109 Instruction Sheet
David Waples

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of David Waples  Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 - 5:45am
Well, here are the instructions. A very nice effort from Revell Germany. I'm interested to see the finished parts. Have a look.

https://www.revell.de/fileadmin/import/images/bau/05147_%23BAU_PATROL_TORPEDO_BOATPT109.PDF




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Jeff D

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 - 6:21am
I'm happy to see the (3 piece) hull has a nice sheer line and water / exhaust outlets! And the deck has a decent camber. One too many starboard deck / dead lights but that's minor. The torpedo tubes look nicely detailed for the most part. An early mast is included.

Clickable link: https://www.revell.de/fileadmin/import/images/bau/05147_%23BAU_PATROL_TORPEDO_BOATPT109.PDF

Builders should leave off part 91, looks like an aldis locker door for later boats maybe. The starboard bridge bulkhead was bare framing except for the door:



Also leave off the strange decal on the torpedo fire control box that Dave pointed out. :D

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  TED WALTHER

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Dave;
Looks great, but I think waterline would have been a better way to go, more functional for the modeler. You might want to pass that to Massimo for the 1/35 Higgins.
Take care,
TED


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Jeff D

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 - 9:33am
I overlaid the Elco deck arrangement drawing over the deck shown in the instructions and all the houses, torpedo tube bases, turret locations, and other part locations visible on the deck matched up very very well. As long as the part drawing is an accurate depiction of the actual part, my picky butt is impressed! Besides the extra dead / deck light the only error I spotted is a missing cover on the throttle push rod deck housing just shy of the aft end of the day cabin. Again easy to fix. They did the cover very nice though, they even included the 2 different heights.



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David Waples

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They clearly did their homework. I'm not sure if they were working with anyone but I would say they spent some time looking at your 103 site Jeff and listening to my rants about the mast. Big tip off are the throttle line covers. That came straight from your site Jeff. I'm very glad they did include the A frame mast.

I thought the engine hatch was interesting. It was clearly designed to come off. It's like they thought they were going to add an engine room but then decided not to. There's room for some aftermarket upgrades. Steve's (a.k.a. model monkey) torpedo tubes would look great on this boat.

I suspect they left themselves some room to do some other boats with different features. I'm not sure why they have the plating on the bow section which you see in later Elco's. The way they designed the stern section was also curious.

Anyway, I think they put together a winner.
Dave

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Jeff D   Send Email To Jeff D Posted on: Feb 11, 2018 - 12:24pm
Yah I can see some details most likely garnered from my work with Dick's DVD. And Dick's work too, most likely we have him to thank for the neat hull outlets.

I think you are right about future releases, the deck insert for the 20mm could be another sign. Too bad there's no engine room details but I can understand why not. Sooo much detail in there to do it right.

One thing that looks off to me are the depth charges, I think they were farther aft and more inboard. This shot of what is supposed to be the 109 seems to show that:

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The molding for the depth charges is interesting. I wonder why they did it that way.



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David Waples

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Yes, the depth charges were definitely more inboard. I wonder if it was the result of torpedoes sliding out of their tubes and pushing them through the deck as happened with Kennedy. The 109 wasn't the only boat built that way. Interesting how they designed the depth charge rack to straddle the toe rail.

Another place I saw your handy work is the armor plate behind the cockpit. I noticed that they included the hardware detail. Another nice detail are what you pointed out which were the vents on the side of the hull.

Dave

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Jeff and Dave;
Your right, being further back and close to the gunwhale is probably how the torpedo hit the depth charge.
In the photo you supplied, it looks to be about 3-3 1/2 feet from the gunwhale. If you look at photos of 77' Elcos there are additional rails added.

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PT 38 RON 3(2) Tulagi 1943.

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First series 77' ELCO escorting USS Nicholas(DD-449) into Tulagi Harbor, July 1943.

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Hello,
Just a nitpick,
Looks like the starbd. forward window on the daycabin is the same as the rest but should be a deadlight. Also the dayroom hatch opened to port on the early boats but this could have been modified in the field to open aft. At least they got the stagger on the daycabin correct. Maybe remove the torpedo cranks, but these could also have been retrofitted. Some decent footrails would improve it greatly. Not a bad effort though and a good basis for detailing. IMHO

Best Regards,
Stu.





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Yes Stu that day cabin dead light would have been a nice detail. The glass was at the surface as opposed to sunk in on the windows so would have added some interest. An easy way to show a difference would be to remove the drip rail above it.

A gentleman on Frank's Facebook page was asking about how the 37mm was mounted to the deck. This is interesting and although contrary to popular opinion it is said to be straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkpt109.shtml

Here are some quotes from the article regarding source and the 37mm:

The following story entitled SURVIVAL appeared in NEW YORKER magazine in early 1944. It was written by journalist John Hersey from notes taken while he visited John Fitzgerald Kennedy in the New England Baptist Hospital in Boston a few months after the events of August 1-2 1943. JFK was recuperating from malaria and surgery on his back. The disc between his fifth lumbar vertebra and his sacrum had ruptured during the crash in the Solomons. JFK agreed to the interview and asked Hersey to also talk with some of his crew. They filled in the gaps.

Kennedy whirled the wheel to the left, but again the 109 did not respond. Ross went through the gallant but futile motions of slamming a shell into the breach of the 37-millimetre anti-tank gun which had been temporarily mounted that very day, wheels and all, on the fordeck.

So they took an inventory of their armament. The 37-millimetre gun had flopped over the side and was hanging there by a chain.

Those who could not swim well grouped themselves around a long two-by-six timber with which carpenters had braced the 37-millimetre cannon on deck and which had been knocked overboard by the force of the collision.


If it were me I'd make sure the lashing would not only keep the 37mm from moving back it would also keep it from moving forward. The Revell kit shows lashings that seem to only keep it from moving back. I'd also have the 37mm on wheels and chained at key stress points, to the mooring bitt, maybe wrapped around the axle ends behind the wheels and led to the cleats (have to move the depth charges back) and foot rails in an X pattern, as well as roped down at the aft ends to keep it from twisting. I feel confident that this way is probably most likely totally partially wrong.



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