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Stearman
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Posted on: Jan 24, 2018 - 7:31pm
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That is interesting. I have seen these photos before, but did not have any information about which 40mm she shipped after arrival in the combat zone. So the 174 did operate with the zebra paint and the bow 40mm. I wounder if the crew added the shield to the mount at that time, and was it zebra painted also? I think the 174 might get the award for most changes in armament of any of the boats!
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TED WALTHER |
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 Posted on: Jan 24, 2018 - 8:26pm
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Stearman;
All RON 10 boats were painted in the Adapter Camouflage, To make things more interesting on each boat the Starboard side did not match the Port side, and no two boats were painted alike. PT 163-174, 12 completely different patterns.
Take care,
TED
This photo is from 20 July 1943, PT 166 has been bombed and shot up by Army B-25's. PT 164 is standing by to pick up survivors. PT 168 is out of the photo. As you can see here, the deck is now painted dark green(Navy Green).
BTW: RON 15 had PT 207 and PT 208 painted in Adapter Camo. RON 22 had PT 306 painted in a version of the Adapter camo. These were Mediterranean boats
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Wayne Traxel |
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Posted on: Jan 25, 2018 - 2:43pm
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Received portions of PT-174's deck log from the late Alex Johnson some years ago.
2/11/1943 At Elco PT-174, work started on boat to remove 40mm
5/24/1943 PT-174 resting on cradle aboard USS Stanvac Manila when this ship was torpedoed. PT-174 floated free damaging hull, wheels and shafts. Was towed to Noumea, New Caledonia.
5/28/1943 was towed to USS Argonne AG-31 for repairs.
6/11-18/1943 Moored alongside USS Promethus, SO type Radar installed, adjusted and inspected.
9/10/1943 PT-174 went into drydock at Tulagi
9/11-21/1943 PT-174 received new engines and installed a 40mm gun.
Years ago 174 crew members recalled that the gun was on the bow until June 1944 when the 40 was remounted on the stern and a 37mm was fitted on the bow.
As Ted mentioned a quad 20mm Thunderbolt replaced the stern 40 in April 1945.
Hope this helps
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Stearman
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Posted on: Jan 25, 2018 - 9:01pm
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According to this sight, http://www.ptboatworld.com/PT_Boat_Info/PT174.htm 174 did not have the factory 40mm mounted when she went into dry dock for repairers. This makes sense, since even if the 40mm was sent, it would be on the bottom of the ocean along with the Stanvac! Sounds about right that an Army mount was used. As to the zebra colors, black and what? Some say white, some say blue grey, some say they were painted over with green, various shades described. One veteran swore the white actually had a pink hue to it! The film of 174 on patrol is most certainly green, so maybe that is the version to model.
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TED WALTHER |
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Posted on: Jan 29, 2018 - 6:00am
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Stearman;
All those colors are actually right. But... not all together. The Pink Adapter was only on RON 15 boats 207 and 208, for a short period of time, They were originally painted similar to below. The pinkish hue of the white you mentioned on the RON 10 boats may have been the way the paint was fading.
Use the photos of the Adapter scheme in this thread as a reference. in the photos of PT 166 and PT 164, where you see "darker" lighter stripes that was originally a light blue gray. This is known as counter shading. This "may" have been changed to gray after the white stripes where repainted greenish yellow.
Here is an excellent example I found on pinterest, this is acurite for the way the scheme was originally applied to PT 170:
Take care;
TED
P,S, The scheme was NOT applied to the deck. That was painted USN Deck Gray 20-B, as well as the top of the dayroom and top of the charthouse.
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Posted on: Jan 29, 2018 - 11:28am
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As for the Pink, I believe it was related to the Brits use of the famous (or infamous) "Mountbatten Pink". What I heard is that studies were performed showing that in times of dusk and dawn and haze, the Mountbatten pink blended in to the horizon better than any other color. Interesting.
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Stearman
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Posted on: Jan 29, 2018 - 9:17pm
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Thanks Ted. I think I am leaning more and more towards a green 174! But who knows, Right now I am eyeball deep into a Victorian house renovation! So a bought all I can afford right now is dreams.
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Posted on: Feb 6, 2018 - 6:54pm
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A while back, someone posted photos of RON 10 boats on board the Stanvac Manila. Please, do not post the photos, I already have those! What I need, is the link to the thread. I forgot to copy and paste the position of the boats on her deck. Thanks for the help!
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Posted on: Feb 6, 2018 - 8:11pm
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Stearman;
Not Stanvac Manila but USS Atascosa (AO-66), carrying the first division of RON 10.: http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/19/19066.htm
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Jeff D
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Posted on: Feb 7, 2018 - 8:01am
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Tthese descriptions might be the ones you are looking for. Once again Ted's vast knowledge comes through!:
Per Ted Walther:
Forward Port PT 167 (beehive radar SCR 517)
Forward Starboard PT 171
Aft Port PT 168
Aft Starboard PT 174
Title: USS Atascosa (AO-66)
Description: Starboard quarter view of USS Atascosa (AO-66) underway in light load condition with camouflaged PT boats as deck cargo fore and aft off the Norfolk Navy Yard, Portsmouth, VA, on 14 March 1943. She was the former S.S. Esso Columbia.
http://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nara-series/19-n/19-N-40000/19-n-43373.html
Per Ted Walther:
Forward Port PT 167 (beehive radar SCR 517)
Forward Starboard PT 171
Aft Port PT 168
Aft Starboard PT 174
Title: USS Atascosa (AO-66)
Description: Starboard bow view of USS Atascosa (AO-66) underway in light load condition with camouflaged PT boats as deck cargo fore and aft off the Norfolk Navy Yard, Portsmouth, VA, on 14 March 1943. She was the former S.S. Esso Columbia. Note the lines at her bow. She seems to be streaming paravanes.
http://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nara-series/19-n/19-N-40000/19-n-43374.html
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