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alross2

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of alross2   Send Email To alross2 Posted on: Mar 13, 2017 - 3:59pm
This question is primarily for Steve Nugent but anyone else with documentable evidence is welcome to chime in.

RON 15 boats carried the most numerous and diverse camouflage schemes of any RON. The bulk of them were unofficial. One document I have from a former RON 15 crew member talks about repainting the 207 and 208 while they were in transit aboard the tanker. He states that they painted the boats pink with black stripes. We know from photos that these two boats carried different versions of the Adaptor pattern. Based on the photos, if the pink replaced the white, it would have been a very light shade. If the pink replaced the counter shade gray, it would have been a bit darker. Can you speak to this??

Al


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Nuge210

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Nuge210   Send Email To Nuge210 Posted on: Mar 17, 2017 - 7:19am
 photo 208DaveMorrison.jpeg

Al,

I don't have any documentation regarding color schemes on these two boats. The pink color is a new one on me, God that would make them even more ugly !
Just kidding, anyway this photo has always puzzled me, because it looks like there are three colors or shades on the 208.

Dave Morrison is pictured here, he was the Exec Officer on the 206 ( Jack
Oswald CO ), until he was moved to the Base Force because he got sick EVERY time they sailed.

Steve

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Nuge210   Send Email To Nuge210 Posted on: Mar 17, 2017 - 7:21am
Oh no, I'll have to post the photo another time, unless Dick can help.

Steve

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Dick

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Dick   Send Email To Dick Posted on: Mar 17, 2017 - 10:01am
Steve . . .
Don't know what was wrong with the image. However I relinked and it popped up

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Nuge210   Send Email To Nuge210 Posted on: Mar 17, 2017 - 10:07am
Dick,

Thank you, as always.

Steve

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Jerry Gilmartin

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Hey Al,
These are from TM1/C Dave Prentice photo Album. He was on PT204. You may already have seen them. I am unsure if these show PT207 or PT208. It could be either one. Jerry



Nested, Zebra boat in 2nd row on right, note chart house stripes


Striped boat on left in background


Aboard one of the striped boats, note air scoop and side of chart house in stripes. Plus if you look at the stencil on the air scoop canvas cover in the foreground it looks like it reads "PT207"


Jerry Gilmartin
PT658 Crewman
Portland OR

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of Nuge210   Send Email To Nuge210 Posted on: Mar 22, 2017 - 7:13am
Jerry,
Thanks for posting those photos. The first photo is of the 207 I believe.
Fred Rosen ( CO of the 207 ) has this in his scrapbook, with the caption
" PT 207 Lake Bizerte ". I think I she is at anchor, but can't tell for sure.

Steve

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Jerry and Steve;
Steve you are correct, your Dave Morrison photo is of PT 208, but all of Jerry's photos are of PT 207. In Jerry's second photo PT 208 is back in the 4th row of boats. LTjg Fred Rosen was Skipper of PT 207 and LT. Ed Dubose was Skipper of PT 208 at this time. Later LTjg John M. Torrance took command of PT 208.

As with the the Pacific boats painted in the adapter scheme, no two boats are alike.

Notice the photos, PT 208 on cabin has sharper angles on the black stripes on forward cabin and windscreen, also counter shading is on port side forward cabin that bleeds over onto port side of cabin. In 208 cabin photo notice that the port side starts with light and counter shade, then black stripes. PT 207 had a black stripe first in this location.

Two other quick ways to tell the 2 boats apart, PT 207 had two dice (4 and a 3) painted on both sides of the bow. In Jerry's photo of the boat at anchor, this appears to be a reflection, but it is actually the dice. The boat was nicknamed Lucky Seven at this time.
PT 208 had a 8-ball painted on both sides of the bow and also carried a 2.75 inch rocket launcher on the port side forcastle.

Here are some photos of PT 208:


PT 208 8-Ball RON 15 Bizerte 1943


PT 208 inboard and PT 217 outboard Bizerte 1943


PT 208 and another boat pass LST of Salerno, 29 Sept 1943.


PT 208 (LT. Ed Dubose CO) and off Salerno, 29 Sept 1943

Take care,
TED

P.S. PT 306 RON 22 also carried this camo for awhile.


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