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JCurtis

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Looking to get back into modeling. Have a few PT Boat kits.

have been slowly buying up supplies like paint. have all the WEM colourcoats I need to do the larger PT's

Looking for a paint color similar to the WEM Norfolk Anti Fouling Red 65A as I don't want to waste it on the smaller models. Any recommendations say in Model master or Tamiya, or other MFG ?

Thanks for the help

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David Waples

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Hi Jeff,
I'm not sure I'm following you on why you don't want to use the WEM paint for your hull. It is oil based and should work well with the other colors you have.

I used to be caught up in getting the exact color paint but I'm finding that less important these days. I find it more important to have written or photographic evidence of the color. I have some thoughts for you on anti-fouling red though..

Tamiya is an alcohol based acrylic paint. To get a good representation of anti-fouling red I would take Tamiya Red and mix the Tamiya Hull Red (very brown in color) until you get a mix you like. Keep notes on the ratios for future reference. I use pipettes and keep count of the drops of each color. Be sure to let it dry before you make a decision. If it's too brown back off on the hull red. If it's too red, add a little more hull red.

Another option is Vallejo paint. They are water based acrylics. Here's a reference on mixes of their colors to achieve various naval colors.

http://www.ipmsswamp.com/files/VallejoWWIINavalColorEquivalents.pdf

Let us know how we can help and welcome back to the hobby. Remember to have fun with it.
Dave



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JCurtis

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Post a Reply To This Topic    Reply With Quotes     Edit Message     View Profile of JCurtis   Send Email To JCurtis Posted on: Feb 3, 2017 - 6:55am
Dave, I will be doing two 1/72 PT boats to hone my skills (aka Practice or chipping the barnacles off )

I did purchase the WEM Norfolk red 65A, but I want to save it for the 1/35 scale PT I will be doing down the road ( seems like it is difficult to get Norfolk 65A at some points in time.

I have never airbrushed, mostly brush and rattle cans, so I may need some advice on WEM thinner/paint ratios.

I've heard 1 to 1 or 2 parts thinner to 1 part paint.


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Jeff;
While I have never used these paints, here is the answer to your questions about WEM paints:http://www.steelnavy.com/wem_colourcoats.htm
Take care,
TED


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David Waples

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Hi Jeff,
I'm not sure I'm following you on why you don't want to use the WEM paint for your hull. It is oil based and should work well with the other colors you have.

I used to be caught up in getting the exact color paint but I'm finding that less important these days. I find it more important to have written or photographic evidence of the color. I have some thoughts for you on anti-fouling red though..

Tamiya is an alcohol based acrylic paint. To get a good representation of anti-fouling red I would take Tamiya Red and mix the Tamiya Hull Red (very brown in color) until you get a mix you like. Keep notes on the ratios for future reference. I use pipettes and keep count of the drops of each color. Be sure to let it dry before you make a decision. If it's too brown back off on the hull red. If it's too red, add a little more hull red.

Another option is Vallejo paint. They are water based acrylics. Here's a reference on mixes of their colors to achieve various naval colors.

http://www.ipmsswamp.com/files/VallejoWWIINavalColorEquivalents.pdf

Let us know how we can help and welcome back to the hobby. Remember to have fun with it.
Dave



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The real boats had 'copperoyd' paint on the bottoms. It's a copper-based anti-fouling paint designed to a) poison barnacles and other hangers-on, and b) slough off in layers so that new layers of toxic copper can poison more critters.

Given the nature of the paint and its purpose, this is one color where some variation would be forgivable.

I looked at a bunch of fishing boats here in Thailand that were painted with anti-fouling paint. Varies from blood red to mud red, with none of it looking like pure copper.

I think copper based anti fouling paint is illegal in most countries now due to it being toxic to sea life.

I've got some links somewhere in my bookmarks that go into detail on copperoyd, its chemistry, and why anti fouling paint ends up red. I'll post them some day but I came away with the impression that, for the period I'm interested in (1942-43 Solomons) WEM's paint will work just fine for my 105.

It would probably be worth investing in some WEM anti fouling red to practice with on your 1/72 boats, spraying acrylic is a bit different to spraying lacquer.

PS: worth noting that *none* of the copper based red anti fouling paint I've seen in real life looked like a typical oxide red. oxide red is IRON oxide (rust).

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