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Patrick Matthews

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Rick Davis just posted this better version, a scan of the original photo from NARA, over at Steel Navy:





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Also of interest is the camo: light gray sides and darker gray decks. I always thought this was limited to earlier boats in the PT-1xx range. Guess I haven't been paying enough attention!

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Pat;
Here is ESSO Manhattan



En route to Brisbane July-Sept 1943 with 7 PT boats on deck. I cannot confirm yet but I think these are RON 21 boats, the time frame fits.
On October 21, 1944, ESSO Manhattan carried RON 37 Boats out(PT 533, 534, 535, 536, 537, 538, 539, 540) from Panama to Espirito Santo, off loaded the boats, then continued on to Finschhafen, New Guinea.
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P.S. ESSO Richmond carried RON 27 boats from Panama to Tulagi. ESSO Norfolk carried RON 33 boats from Panama to Morobe. I still have yet to figure out who ESSO Pittsburgh carried out , but I think it might be RON 25 or RON 28 boats.


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How many ship-trips?

Over 700 PTs built, average of maybe 4 or 5 boats per load... 125 to 140 ship-loads. And maybe up 50% more to account for all the tankers that off-loaded in the Canal Zone, with someone else picking up the boats on the Pacific side.


You have your work cut out for you, Ted!



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And how many engines?

Anyone have records on Packard's production numbers? I think I saw a number once, in the 4000+ range.

But if there were 700 PTs, and each shipped out with 3 spare engines, then that's 4200 engines right there. Where did they all go? Bottom of the bay? Filipino fishing boats?

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Pat;
Ah ha! now you have hit on the other little thing Chip and I have been investigating. We have come across some very interesting evidence, But that's all for now.

As for the tanker/ship info I have, as I said, some is complete, and some isn't. Some squadrons I have their entire trip (New York to Panama, and Panama to Tulagi, New Guinea or the Philippines. Others I just have the first leg or the last leg.)
As for Trips well F.Q. Barstow made 69 by herself. Mainly first leg.

To break it down further the average squadron had 12 boats, and they mainly loaded by 4-6 boats (ESSO Manhattan is the only ship I know of that carried 8 boats, 4-6 boats were the usual load). roughly 399 boats total were assigned to the Pacific, 39 to the MED and 39 boats to England for D-Day, so that is 477 boats. Using the 4-6 boat average that's 79.5- 119.5 trips to the warzones. Using your book the average war load-out per ship was 350-400 tons of MTB Squadron equipment and 100-125 Officers and men.

Using F.Q. Barstow as a basis for fist leg for early ELCO Squadrons, 70-80 trips for first leg to Panama. Higgins and Huckins Squadrons ran on their own to Panama, Early ELCO Squadrons were shipped to Panama, the later ELCO Squadrons, from RON 33 on ran from Miami to Panama.
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See post at Steel Navy, 4 Higgins on Elco A-frame cradles, aboard AO77:
http://members.boardhost.com/Warship/msg/1479447821.html

...from Rick Davis.





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Pat;
Nice photos, RON 22. The two aft boats in the first photo have names painted on the bow. The Port side boat has a long name so maybe "The Fascinating Bitch" or Bacchante.
Take care,
TED


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Double post.😈😈


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